[cr-india] problem of frequency interference in Henvalvani CR

Tue Dec 30 07:26:37 CST 2014

I am not sure what the question is: is it to allot 120.6 MHz for CR?
The frequency (I don't know why this number was picked) falls outside the ITU agreed 'band' for FM, which is 88-108 MHz (I think some countries allow 87.5 as the lower end). What this means in practice is that you will not be able to pick up cheap radio receivers from the open market. Not a good idea from the PoV of communities. Vickram 

     On Tuesday, 30 December 2014, 9:59, Sajan Venniyoor <venniyoor at gmail.com> wrote:

 Uday Godbole writes:
Dear friends,
Would it be possible for CR frequencies to be completely separated from the frequencies of commercial radio and state radio.... as in 120.6 (MHz) FM etc, because many CRS are facing this problem (of interference).
Uday Godbole
On 30 December 2014 at 08:23, Uday Godbole <udayg2 at gmail.com> wrote:

प्रिय मित्रो 
क्या अएसा संभव है कि सामुदैयाकी रेदिओ कि फ्रीकावेसी पुरी तरहसे अलग हो 
मतलब जो व्यावसाई रेदिओ या सरकारी केंद्र हे उससे अलग..... दूर मतलब 120.6FM वगैरा 
क्यू कि बहोत सारे CRS को इस तरह के समस्योका सामना करणा पडता है

उदय गोडबोले 

Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  problem of frequency interference in Henvalvani CR
      (Sajan Venniyoor)
   2. Re:  problem of frequency interference in Henvalvani CR (Hemant)

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:47:34 +0530
From: Sajan Venniyoor <venniyoor at gmail.com>
To: Ram <ramnathbhat.13 at gmail.com>
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        <cr-india at mail.sarai.net>
Subject: Re: [cr-india] problem of frequency interference in
        Henvalvani CR
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As I've written to Rajendra, this seems to be a rather peculiar problem.

AIR has set up a number of FM relay transmitters in many states, including
Uttarakhand, but pretty much all of them
<http://allindiaradio.gov.in/wpresources/AIRstationslist.pdf> are 100 watt
transmitters (the same power as CR transmitters) and they broadcast on
100.1 MHz frequency or thereabouts. (FM frequencies from 100 MHz to 103.7
MHz are assigned to AIR).

As for New Tehri (Uttarakhand)
<http://allindiaradio.gov.in/Information/Technology/Pages/default.aspx>,
AIR has just installed a 1 kW FM transmitter there, but I don't think it
has been commissioned yet. Maybe they are running test transmissions. Their
frequency is, as far as I know, 101.2 MHz and I can't think of many
situations where 101.2 MHz could interfere with 90.4 MHz. It's quite
baffling. Maybe the AIR relay transmitter is leaking all over the dial. I
hope the more geeky members on this list can enlighten us on this.

About sending letters to AIR, MIB and WPC, I have advised Rajendra Negi to
collect some evidence first. He could, for instance, take a short video
(with audio) of Vividh Bharati service being heard on 90.4 MHz in Chamba
(using a radio receiver where FM frequencies are clearly indicated on the
dial / screen. A car radio should work). That should be reasonable proof.
Otherwise, AIR engineers could deny that such interference is possible, and
it would be their word against Negi's.

Since the AIR transmitter is apparently in test phase, this would be a good
time to sort things out.

Sajan

On 29 December 2014 at 17:09, Ram <ramnathbhat.13 at gmail.com> wrote:

> WPC has not really formally announced separate frequencies for commercial
> community or public radio. Officials have only mentioned 90.4, 91.2 and
> 107.8 (for CR) informally. However in reality one gets the impression that
> decisions of allocation are taken on a case by case basis and quite
> arbitrarily.
>
> Hevalvani's problem implies that WPC does not design allocation for all
> three sectors together. Otherwise they would have realised and foreseen
> this interference.
>
> No harm in using RTI I suppose, although it might be better (for practical
> reasons) for a Delhi based group (CRF?) to file the application.
> Best,
> ---
> Ram
>
> On 29 Dec 2014, at 07:08, Venu Arora <varora at ideosyncmedia.org> wrote:
>
> Rajendraji:
> Henval Vaani ko hum sab ki taraf se shubhkaamnayein.
>
> Osama ji ki suggestions se mein bhi sehmat hoon. Pehle chittiyaan likhte
> hain. Arti is right as well - The letter should be addressed to WPC.
> Aap agar chitthi ke copy bhej dein to hum bhi thoda pata laga saktein
> hain.
>
> Mera ek aur sujhaav hai. Kyunki ye range aur overlappiong frequencies
> kaafi aur stations ke liye bhi ek challenge raha hai- ek RTI daal kar hum
> ye pata kar sakte hain ki sarkaar ka WPC department mein Community Radio ki
> frequency us community ke liye aarakshit rahe iske liye kya pravdhaan hain.
> Aur yadi yeh frequency kisi aur ko dee jaati hai to kya prakriya hai? Aisi
> jaan kari milne se hamein hamare agle kadam saaf dikhenge.
> RTI file karne ke liye partners madad kar sakte hain.
> Hum phone par bhi is ke baare mein charcha kar sakte hain.
> Thanks
> Venu
>
> (Translation for benefit of others: The letter needs to go to WPC. May
> also be a good idea to put in an RTI application to find out what
> provisions the government WPC department has to ensure that frequencies
>  allotted to CR stations remain exclusively available to that community and
> if violations happen whereby these frequencies are usurped what systems are
> in place to check or penalise such violations? Information generated form
> such an application will be useful for other CR stations as well.)
>
> Venu Arora
> Executive Director
> Ideosync Media Combine
> 1381, Sector 37, Faridabad - 121003
> Haryana - INDIA
> Tel: +91-129-4064883/4131883/6510156
> Mobile: +91-9810731552
> Web: www.ideosyncmedia.org
>
>
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1.  problem of frequency interference in Henvalvani CR
>      (Sajan Venniyoor)
>   2. Re:  {CRF India} problem of frequency interference in
>      Henvalvani CR (Arti Jaiman)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:47:01 +0530
> From: Sajan Venniyoor <venniyoor at gmail.com>
> To: crf-india at googlegroups.com, CR India <cr-india at sarai.net>
> Subject: [cr-india] problem of frequency interference in Henvalvani CR
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> *We have received the mail below from Rajendra Negi of *Henvalvani CR*.
> (I've attempted a loose translation in English for those who don't read
> Hindi). Sajan*
>
> Greetings to all.
>
> I need your help and advice on a problem faced by *Henvalvani*. For the
> past three years, *Henvalvani* has been plagued by frequency over-lapping
> (interference). *Henvalvani* broadcasts on 90.4 MHz frequency and All India
> Radio's Vividh Bharati channel has been consistently interfering with our
> frequency. Earlier, the interference was limited, but now AIR has set up a
> high power 1000 watt Vividh Bharati relay transmitter in New Tehri town,
> within five kilometers of *Henvalvani*'s Chamba station. From 17 December
> 2014, our listeners have been calling in to inform us that they are picking
> up Vividh Bharati on 90.4 MHz, and *Henvalvani *can no longer be heard.
> Over 70 callers have complained about this so far.
>
> After a twelve year struggle to set up *Henvalvani*, we are now faced with
> this intractable problem. We spoke Prasar Bharati (All India Radio)
> engineers in Dehradun over the phone, but we didn't receive any clear
> answers.
>
> Now *Henvalvani* can't even be heard in areas close to the station. We have
> faced this problem (of interference) for three years, but it has become far
> more acute now. Our listeners feel cheated.
>
> I request your advice on this. We have a few possible solutions:
>
> 1. We can write to Prasar Bharati (All India Radio).
> 2. We can write to the Ministry of Information & Broadcasting.
> 3. We can request the courts to send a notice to Prasar Bharati.
> 4. We can launch an agitation.
>
> We hope the Community Radio Association and Community Radio Forum will take
> the responsibility of finding a solution to this issue.
>
> Rajendra Singh Negi
> Henvalvani Community Radio
>
>
> 2014-12-28 12:57 GMT+05:30 Rajendra Singh Negi <negihcr at gmail.com>:
>
> ?? ??? ?? ???????
>                  ????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ?????????
> ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ???
> ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ?????
>              ?????????? ????? 3 ????? ?? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??
> ?????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? 90.4 ????????? ?? ?? ??
> ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ???
> ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? 5 ???????? ?? ???? ?? ?? ?????
> ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ??
> ?????? 1000 ??? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ???? ?? 17 ?????? 2014
> ?? ???????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ??
> 90.4 ?? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?? 70 ?? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????
> ??????? ?? ???? ??? 12 ????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ????????? ?? ??????? ???? ???
> ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ??
> ?????? ?????????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ???
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> ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ? ???
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>
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>
>  ??? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??
>
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> ???? ????????????? ?? ????????????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????????
>
> --
>
> *Rajendra Singh Negi (Community Media Activist)*
>
>  *?  Founder, Director Community Radio Henvalvani UK*
>
> *   ?  Block Manager- DEF Soochna Seva Tehri Garhwal  *
>
> *   ?  Member open Knowledge Center (OKC) New Delhi*
>
> *   ?  Founder member Community Radio Forum India*
>
> *   ?  Community Media Consultant / Trainer*
>
>   ?   *Member Seed save Movement  *
>
> *          ?   Correspondent Rashtriya Sahara daily news paper *
>
> *Contact *
>
> *90.4 MHz Samudayik Radio Henvalvani*
>
> *Soochna Seva Center DEF*
>
> *Massuori Road chamba Tehri Garhwal*
>
> *Uttarakhand  pin 249145*
>
> *Office- 01376- 256159 Mob- 09412970251,7060835181*
>
> *email  henvalvanicr at gmail.com <henvalvanicr at gmail.com>*
>
> http://www.henwalvani.org/
>
> *http://henvalvani.wordpress.com/ <http://henvalvani.wordpress.com/>*
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> From: Arti Jaiman <arti at trfindia.org>
> To: "crf-india at googlegroups.com" <crf-india at googlegroups.com>, CR
> India <cr-india at sarai.net>
> Subject: Re: [cr-india] {CRF India} problem of frequency interference
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> I can check with WPC what would be the way forward to file a complaint. I
> would assume that this would come under their domain.?
> Regards
> Arti?Arti Jaiman
>
> Station Director : Gurgaon Ki Awaaz Samudayik Radio Station 107.8 MHz FM
> email: arti at trfindia.org
> website: www.trfindia.org
>
> Gurgaon Ki Awaaz is the first and only civil-society-led community radio
> station in the National Capital Region of Delhi. Since 2009, we have been
> broadcasting 22X7, in Hindi and Haryanvi, with a team of community
> reporters who generate community content with community participation.?
>
>      From: Sajan Venniyoor <venniyoor at gmail.com>
> To: crf-india at googlegroups.com; CR India <cr-india at sarai.net>
> Sent: Monday, 29 December 2014 11:47 AM
> Subject: {CRF India} problem of frequency interference in Henvalvani CR
>
> We have received the mail below from Rajendra Negi of Henvalvani CR. (I've
> attempted a loose translation in English for those who don't read Hindi).
> Sajan
> Greetings to all.
>
> I need your help and advice on a problem faced by Henvalvani. For the past
> three years, Henvalvani has been plagued by frequency over-lapping
> (interference). Henvalvani broadcasts on 90.4 MHz frequency and All India
> Radio's Vividh Bharati channel has been consistently interfering with our
> frequency. Earlier, the interference was limited, but now AIR has set up a
> high power 1000 watt Vividh Bharati relay transmitter in New Tehri town,
> within five kilometers of Henvalvani's Chamba station. From 17 December
> 2014, our listeners have been calling in to inform us that they are picking
> up Vividh Bharati on 90.4 MHz, and Henvalvani can no longer be heard. Over
> 70 callers have complained about this so far.?
> After a twelve year struggle to set up Henvalvani, we are now faced with
> this intractable problem. We spoke Prasar Bharati (All India Radio)
> engineers in Dehradun over the phone, but we didn't receive any clear
> answers.?
> Now Henvalvani can't even be heard in areas close to the station. We have
> faced this problem (of interference) for three years, but it has become far
> more acute now. Our listeners feel cheated.?
> I request your advice on this. We have a few possible solutions:
> 1. We can write to Prasar Bharati (All India Radio).2. We can write to the
> Ministry of Information & Broadcasting.3. We can request the courts to send
> a notice to Prasar Bharati.4. We can launch an agitation.?
> We hope the Community Radio Association and Community Radio Forum will
> take the responsibility of finding a solution to this issue.
> Rajendra Singh Negi?Henvalvani Community Radio
>
>
>
> 2014-12-28 12:57 GMT+05:30 Rajendra Singh Negi <negihcr at gmail.com>:
>
> ?? ??? ?? ????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ???? ????
> ????? ????????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ??????
> ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ??????? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ?????????? ????? 3 ????? ?? ??????????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??
> ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? 90.4 ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????
> ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?????????
> ????? ?????? ?? ????? 5 ???????? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????
> ?? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? 1000 ??? ??
> ???? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ???? ?? 17 ?????? 2014 ?? ???????? ?? ???
> ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? 90.4 ?? ????? ?????
> ????? ?? ??? ?? ?? 70 ?? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ???
> 12 ????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ????????? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????
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> ???3. ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???4. ?? ?????? ???? ?????
>
> ?????? ?? ????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ??
> ???? ????????????? ?? ????????????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????????
> --
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> CommunityRadio Henvalvani UK? ???Block Manager- DEF Soochna Seva Tehri
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> member Community Radio Forum India? ??? Community Media Consultant
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> GarhwalUttarakhand ?pin 249145Office- 01376- 256159 Mob-
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:44:13 +0530
From: Hemant <hemant at nomadindia.net>
To: cr-india at mail.sarai.net
Subject: Re: [cr-india] problem of frequency interference in
        Henvalvani CR
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Hello All

I tend to agree with Sajan. Legalistic approach without thorough
investigation could just backfire. We cannot come to any conclusion
based on what we listen on the radio embedded in cheap mobile phones.
There could be many reasons for interference.

I propose as follows:

1. Do a simple spectrum analysis. A simple swipe from 89 Mhz to 1.3
MHz would reveal the truth that can not be brushed aside.
2. Take documented evidence.... spectrum images, charts, field
strength graphic etc.
3. Ask for a meeting with the engineer at the local station. Show him
the findings and there are high chances that they would take some
corrective measures.

Its possible that there is some leakage in the AIR transmitter... or
there may be some other factors which we cannot guess. But a proper
investigation is required before we take RTI, legal or agitation route.

regards

Hemant

On Monday 29 December 2014 05:47 PM, Sajan Venniyoor wrote:
> As I've written to Rajendra, this seems to be a rather peculiar
> problem.
>
> AIR has set up a number of FM relay transmitters in many states,
> including Uttarakhand, but pretty much all of them
> <http://allindiaradio.gov.in/wpresources/AIRstationslist.pdf> are
> 100 watt transmitters (the same power as CR transmitters) and they
> broadcast on 100.1 MHz frequency or thereabouts. (FM frequencies
> from 100 MHz to 103.7 MHz are assigned to AIR).
>
> As for New Tehri (Uttarakhand)
> <http://allindiaradio.gov.in/Information/Technology/Pages/default.aspx>,
>
>
AIR has just installed a 1 kW FM transmitter there, but I don't think it
> has been commissioned yet. Maybe they are running test
> transmissions. Their frequency is, as far as I know, 101.2 MHz and
> I can't think of many situations where 101.2 MHz could interfere
> with 90.4 MHz. It's quite baffling. Maybe the AIR relay transmitter
> is leaking all over the dial. I hope the more geeky members on this
> list can enlighten us on this.
>
> About sending letters to AIR, MIB and WPC, I have advised Rajendra
> Negi to collect some evidence first. He could, for instance, take a
> short video (with audio) of Vividh Bharati service being heard on
> 90.4 MHz in Chamba (using a radio receiver where FM frequencies are
> clearly indicated on the dial / screen. A car radio should work).
> That should be reasonable proof. Otherwise, AIR engineers could
> deny that such interference is possible, and it would be their word
> against Negi's.
>
> Since the AIR transmitter is apparently in test phase, this would
> be a good time to sort things out.
>
> Sajan
>
> On 29 December 2014 at 17:09, Ram <ramnathbhat.13 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> WPC has not really formally announced separate frequencies for
>> commercial community or public radio. Officials have only
>> mentioned 90.4, 91.2 and 107.8 (for CR) informally. However in
>> reality one gets the impression that decisions of allocation are
>> taken on a case by case basis and quite arbitrarily.
>>
>> Hevalvani's problem implies that WPC does not design allocation
>> for all three sectors together. Otherwise they would have
>> realised and foreseen this interference.
>>
>> No harm in using RTI I suppose, although it might be better (for
>> practical reasons) for a Delhi based group (CRF?) to file the
>> application. Best, --- Ram
>>
>> On 29 Dec 2014, at 07:08, Venu Arora <varora at ideosyncmedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Rajendraji: Henval Vaani ko hum sab ki taraf se shubhkaamnayein.
>>
>> Osama ji ki suggestions se mein bhi sehmat hoon. Pehle chittiyaan
>> likhte hain. Arti is right as well - The letter should be
>> addressed to WPC. Aap agar chitthi ke copy bhej dein to hum bhi
>> thoda pata laga saktein hain.
>>
>> Mera ek aur sujhaav hai. Kyunki ye range aur overlappiong
>> frequencies kaafi aur stations ke liye bhi ek challenge raha hai-
>> ek RTI daal kar hum ye pata kar sakte hain ki sarkaar ka WPC
>> department mein Community Radio ki frequency us community ke liye
>> aarakshit rahe iske liye kya pravdhaan hain. Aur yadi yeh
>> frequency kisi aur ko dee jaati hai to kya prakriya hai? Aisi
>> jaan kari milne se hamein hamare agle kadam saaf dikhenge. RTI
>> file karne ke liye partners madad kar sakte hain. Hum phone par
>> bhi is ke baare mein charcha kar sakte hain. Thanks Venu
>>
>> (Translation for benefit of others: The letter needs to go to
>> WPC. May also be a good idea to put in an RTI application to find
>> out what provisions the government WPC department has to ensure
>> that frequencies allotted to CR stations remain exclusively
>> available to that community and if violations happen whereby
>> these frequencies are usurped what systems are in place to check
>> or penalise such violations? Information generated form such an
>> application will be useful for other CR stations as well.)
>>
>> Venu Arora Executive Director Ideosync Media Combine 1381, Sector
>> 37, Faridabad - 121003 Haryana - INDIA Tel:
>> +91-129-4064883/4131883/6510156 Mobile: +91-9810731552 Web:
>> www.ideosyncmedia.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1.  problem of frequency interference in Henvalvani CR (Sajan
>> Venniyoor) 2. Re:  {CRF India} problem of frequency interference
>> in Henvalvani CR (Arti Jaiman)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:47:01 +0530 From: Sajan Venniyoor
>> <venniyoor at gmail.com> To: crf-india at googlegroups.com, CR India
>> <cr-india at sarai.net> Subject: [cr-india] problem of frequency
>> interference in Henvalvani CR Message-ID:
>> <CA+2EU73VA+-2P2r-wEi_9fB-Zk+nPHotA8Mn6qA+Ks07F2orSw at mail.gmail.com>
>>
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>> *We have received the mail below from Rajendra Negi of
>> *Henvalvani CR*. (I've attempted a loose translation in English
>> for those who don't read Hindi). Sajan*
>>
>> Greetings to all.
>>
>> I need your help and advice on a problem faced by *Henvalvani*.
>> For the past three years, *Henvalvani* has been plagued by
>> frequency over-lapping (interference). *Henvalvani* broadcasts on
>> 90.4 MHz frequency and All India Radio's Vividh Bharati channel
>> has been consistently interfering with our frequency. Earlier,
>> the interference was limited, but now AIR has set up a high power
>> 1000 watt Vividh Bharati relay transmitter in New Tehri town,
>> within five kilometers of *Henvalvani*'s Chamba station. From 17
>> December 2014, our listeners have been calling in to inform us
>> that they are picking up Vividh Bharati on 90.4 MHz, and
>> *Henvalvani *can no longer be heard. Over 70 callers have
>> complained about this so far.
>>
>> After a twelve year struggle to set up *Henvalvani*, we are now
>> faced with this intractable problem. We spoke Prasar Bharati (All
>> India Radio) engineers in Dehradun over the phone, but we didn't
>> receive any clear answers.
>>
>> Now *Henvalvani* can't even be heard in areas close to the
>> station. We have faced this problem (of interference) for three
>> years, but it has become far more acute now. Our listeners feel
>> cheated.
>>
>> I request your advice on this. We have a few possible solutions:
>>
>> 1. We can write to Prasar Bharati (All India Radio). 2. We can
>> write to the Ministry of Information & Broadcasting. 3. We can
>> request the courts to send a notice to Prasar Bharati. 4. We can
>> launch an agitation.
>>
>> We hope the Community Radio Association and Community Radio Forum
>> will take the responsibility of finding a solution to this
>> issue.
>>
>> Rajendra Singh Negi Henvalvani Community Radio
>>
>>
>> 2014-12-28 12:57 GMT+05:30 Rajendra Singh Negi
>> <negihcr at gmail.com>:
>>
>> ?? ??? ?? ??????? ????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ?????
>> ????????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ??
>> ?????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ???
>> ????? ?????????? ????? 3 ????? ?? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??
>> ?????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? 90.4 ?????????
>> ?? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????
>> ?????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ????? ?????? ??
>> ????? 5 ???????? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??
>> ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? 1000 ???
>> ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ???? ?? 17 ?????? 2014 ??
>> ???????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ??? ??
>> ??? ?? 90.4 ?? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?? 70 ?? ???? ??? ??
>> ????? ???? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ??? 12 ????? ?? ?????? ?? ???
>> ????????? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ?????
>> ???? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???
>> ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ??
>> ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ????? ???
>> ????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ? ???
>> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ???
>> ???
>>
>> ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???
>>
>> ??? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??
>>
>> 1. ?????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? 2. ????? ??????? ???????? ??
>> ???? ???? ??? 3. ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? 4.
>> ?? ?????? ???? ????
>>
>>
>> ?????? ?? ????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????? ?????? ???? ??
>> ??? ?? ???? ????????????? ?? ????????????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ???
>> ????????
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Rajendra Singh Negi (Community Media Activist)*
>>
>> *?  Founder, Director Community Radio Henvalvani UK*
>>
>> *   ?  Block Manager- DEF Soochna Seva Tehri Garhwal  *
>>
>> *   ?  Member open Knowledge Center (OKC) New Delhi*
>>
>> *   ?  Founder member Community Radio Forum India*
>>
>> *   ?  Community Media Consultant / Trainer*
>>
>> ?   *Member Seed save Movement  *
>>
>> *          ?   Correspondent Rashtriya Sahara daily news paper *
>>
>> *Contact *
>>
>> *90.4 MHz Samudayik Radio Henvalvani*
>>
>> *Soochna Seva Center DEF*
>>
>> *Massuori Road chamba Tehri Garhwal*
>>
>> *Uttarakhand  pin 249145*
>>
>> *Office- 01376- 256159 Mob- 09412970251,7060835181*
>>
>> *email  henvalvanicr at gmail.com <henvalvanicr at gmail.com>*
>>
>> http://www.henwalvani.org/
>>
>> *http://henvalvani.wordpress.com/
>> <http://henvalvani.wordpress.com/>*
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>> Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:33:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Arti
>> Jaiman <arti at trfindia.org> To: "crf-india at googlegroups.com"
>> <crf-india at googlegroups.com>, CR India <cr-india at sarai.net>
>> Subject: Re: [cr-india] {CRF India} problem of frequency
>> interference in Henvalvani CR Message-ID:
>> <2144068483.2142177.1419834794611.
>> JavaMail.yahoo at jws10677.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I can check with WPC what would be the way forward to file a
>> complaint. I would assume that this would come under their
>> domain.? Regards Arti?Arti Jaiman
>>
>> Station Director : Gurgaon Ki Awaaz Samudayik Radio Station 107.8
>> MHz FM email: arti at trfindia.org website: www.trfindia.org
>>
>> Gurgaon Ki Awaaz is the first and only civil-society-led
>> community radio station in the National Capital Region of Delhi.
>> Since 2009, we have been broadcasting 22X7, in Hindi and
>> Haryanvi, with a team of community reporters who generate
>> community content with community participation.?
>>
>> From: Sajan Venniyoor <venniyoor at gmail.com> To:
>> crf-india at googlegroups.com; CR India <cr-india at sarai.net> Sent:
>> Monday, 29 December 2014 11:47 AM Subject: {CRF India} problem of
>> frequency interference in Henvalvani CR
>>
>> We have received the mail below from Rajendra Negi of Henvalvani
>> CR. (I've attempted a loose translation in English for those who
>> don't read Hindi). Sajan Greetings to all.
>>
>> I need your help and advice on a problem faced by Henvalvani. For
>> the past three years, Henvalvani has been plagued by frequency
>> over-lapping (interference). Henvalvani broadcasts on 90.4 MHz
>> frequency and All India Radio's Vividh Bharati channel has been
>> consistently interfering with our frequency. Earlier, the
>> interference was limited, but now AIR has set up a high power
>> 1000 watt Vividh Bharati relay transmitter in New Tehri town,
>> within five kilometers of Henvalvani's Chamba station. From 17
>> December 2014, our listeners have been calling in to inform us
>> that they are picking up Vividh Bharati on 90.4 MHz, and
>> Henvalvani can no longer be heard. Over 70 callers have
>> complained about this so far.? After a twelve year struggle to
>> set up Henvalvani, we are now faced with this intractable
>> problem. We spoke Prasar Bharati (All India Radio) engineers in
>> Dehradun over the phone, but we didn't receive any clear
>> answers.? Now Henvalvani can't even be heard in areas close to
>> the station. We have faced this problem (of interference) for
>> three years, but it has become far more acute now. Our listeners
>> feel cheated.? I request your advice on this. We have a few
>> possible solutions: 1. We can write to Prasar Bharati (All India
>> Radio).2. We can write to the Ministry of Information &
>> Broadcasting.3. We can request the courts to send a notice to
>> Prasar Bharati.4. We can launch an agitation.? We hope the
>> Community Radio Association and Community Radio Forum will take
>> the responsibility of finding a solution to this issue. Rajendra
>> Singh Negi?Henvalvani Community Radio
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-12-28 12:57 GMT+05:30 Rajendra Singh Negi
>> <negihcr at gmail.com>:
>>
>> ?? ??? ?? ????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ???????
>> ???? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ??
>> ????????? ?? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???
>> ?? ?????? ??? ??????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?????????? ????? 3 ????? ??
>> ??????????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????????? ??
>> ??????????? ?? 90.4 ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????
>> ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??
>> ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? 5 ???????? ?? ???? ?? ?? ?????
>> ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ????
>> ???? ?? ?????? 1000 ??? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ????
>> ?? 17 ?????? 2014 ?? ???????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ??
>> ????????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? 90.4 ?? ????? ????? ????? ?? ???
>> ?? ?? 70 ?? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ??? 12
>> ????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ????????? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??
>> ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ??
>> ?????? ?????????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???????
>> ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ???
>> ????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ????
>> ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ????
>> ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ??? ??? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ???????
>> ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ? ??? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? 1.
>> ?????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ????2. ????? ??????? ???????? ?? ????
>> ???? ???3. ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???4. ??
>> ?????? ???? ?????
>>
>> ?????? ?? ????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????? ?????? ???? ??
>> ??? ?? ???? ????????????? ?? ????????????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ???
>> ???????? -- Rajendra Singh Negi (Community Media Activist)?
>> ???Founder, Director CommunityRadio Henvalvani UK? ???Block
>> Manager- DEF Soochna Seva Tehri Garhwal ?? ???Member open
>> Knowledge Center (OKC) New Delhi? ???Founder member Community
>> Radio Forum India? ??? Community Media Consultant /?Trainer? ???
>> ?Member Seed save Movement ?? ? ? ? ???? ?Correspondent Rashtriya
>> Sahara daily news paper?Contact?90.4 MHz Samudayik Radio
>> HenvalvaniSoochna Seva Center DEFMassuori Road chamba Tehri
>> GarhwalUttarakhand ?pin 249145Office- 01376- 256159 Mob-
>> 09412970251,7060835181email ?henvalvanicr at gmail.comhttp://
>> www.henwalvani.org/http://henvalvani.wordpress.com/
>>
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