[Reader-list] The Vedavatis of this world

Wed Aug 10 00:00:50 IST 2005

With all due respects to democracy and the right to express. May I ask what 
is the nationalism you are referring to? Is it something that does not 
include any other community but Hindus? India is a secular country cos we as 
a nation believe in it. And when a people believe in it that is called 
"Nationalism"
 You refer to the Muslim centric politics of the country but fail to notice 
that caste / community has played crucial role in almost every decision we 
as a nation have taken. Even in a Hindu majority state, politicians manage 
to play the caste card and marginalise communities - hindu comminities. 
There are umpteen evidences of such cases.
 And you say it is not right to blame Mr. Modi cos he is just a single 
person...But he is a person with enormous powers, he is the Chief Minister 
of a state not a helpless bystander. Yes the people voted him back, but we 
very well know that the so-called intelligent voters can be worked on to 
great extent with the fear factor.
 I am not very sure of the definition of the 100% indian here. Is it people 
like Mr. Modi who are "fighting for the cause of hindus," or is it people 
like me and you who let couple of vote seeking, power hungry politicians let 
us tell what to believe?

 On 8/9/05, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> i am neither a prankster, nor a person who is hungry for (cheap) 
> publicity.
> whatever i have written ..i really mean it. india is a democratic country,
> everybody has right to express his or her views. i too have right to write
> what i feel.
> 
> i sincerely feel secularism practised in india is not a true secularism,
> because secularism should not overpower nationalism, secularist are 
> denying
> to understand that politics in india has become extremely muslim centric
> because of this pseudo secularism. country has already been partitioned on
> the basis of religion once, do you want it to happen again? gandhi nehru's
> muslim appeasment policies were mainly responsible for partition. this
> secularism is leading this country towards partition no. 2.
> 
> i am not against any patriotic muslim.from mohammad rafi to irfan pathan,
> shahrukh khan, amiir khan.....they are 100% indians. but how can i call
> those people,' indian 'who don't accept the law of the land? they don't 
> have
> any right to stay in this country. pseudo secularists, forget 'godhra' &
> keep cursing gujrat cm for gujrat riots, can a single person however
> heavyweight may be a cm, be responsible for riots? can he do that without
> any help from hindu society? why did hindus from gujrat vote for him 
> again?
> 
> i request all secularists to please introspect, stop hindu bashing. please
> don't think that 'protecting even antinational elements among muslims is
> secular' and protecting hindus is communal (like they did with kashmiri
> pandits)
> give more importance to national security, national pride. your socalled
> secularism is not in the interest of this country.
> 
> >From: Yousuf <ysaeed7 at yahoo.com>
> >To: Tapas Ray <tray at cal2.vsnl.net.in>, reader-list at sarai.net
> >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Vedavatis of this world
> >Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:00:44 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >For those who think VJogi maybe a prankster, the
> >following info maybe useful:
> >
> >A person named Vedavati Ravindra Jogi produced a film
> >for the PSBT, called ONE BY CHANCE, ONE BY CHOICE.
> >This film is "A look at the predicaments; joys and
> >difficulties of couples who adopt a second child even
> >though they have a biological one of their own.
> >
> >Vedavati is director of Spandan Communications,
> >producing audio-visual educational films and
> >multimedia CDs. She has worked with Balchitravani
> >producing over 50 television programmes for children.
> >
> >(God save those poor kids)
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Tapas Ray <tray at cal2.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> >
> > > I am a confirmed lurker on this list (as in a few
> > > others), who prefers
> > > listening to talking. But I find myself sufficiently
> > > intrigued by the posts
> > > of this person, who calls herself/himself "Vedavati
> > > Jogi", to say a few
> > > things. I hope people here will pardon me if my post
> > > shows that I have
> > > missed something. I do confess that I haven't read
> > > everything over the last
> > > few days.
> > >
> > > I am not at all certain that this person is who s/he
> > > claims to be. Please
> > > note that the name "Vedavati Jogi" translates as a
> > > female yogi, who has
> > > acquired the wisdon of the Vedas ... should have
> > > been "Jogini", but that
> > > would have given the game away, and in any case Jogi
> > > fits in nicely as a
> > > surname, because we all have heard of Ajit Jogi,
> > > haven't we? The point here
> > > is, the name seems too perfect to be real. I suspect
> > > it has been dreamt up
> > > by some prankster.
> > >
> > > Please also note this jogi's/jogini's email address
> > > - vrjogi at hotmail.com.
> > > Good old Hotmail, which - like scores of other free
> > > email services - lets
> > > you assume any name that your fertile brain can
> > > think up. Not for them the
> > > rigours of identity and address proof (which I have
> > > had to provide to VSNL
> > > before being given an account).
> > >
> > > What may be the nature of the prank? Again, my
> > > suspicion is that this person
> > > is playing the devil's advocate. If s/he were
> > > sincerely advocating the
> > > devil's cause, I think s/he would have been - well,
> > > tried to be - a little
> > > less crude in her/his advocacy.
> > >
> > > Whatever it is - whether or not s/he has her/his
> > > tongue in her/his cheek -
> > > would it be too much to ask this person to raise the
> > > level of her/his
> > > invectives a little? If s/he does, that will give
> > > everybody a chance to
> > > actually discuss things.
> > >
> > > Just a thought - even though this list is not
> > > moderated, is it not possible
> > > to bounce someone if she/he makes a nuisance of
> > > herself/himself?
> > >
> > > Tapas Ray
> > >
> > >
> > > > hearty congratulations mr. ashok. you could dare
> > > to expose these
> > > > psedosecularists, they are more
> > > > dangerous than terrorists. can secularism be more
> > > imporatant than
> > > > nationalism? i sincerely feel
> > > > indian secularism is all 'bakwas'. these
> > > secularists will not mind selling
> > > > off this country to
> > > > terrorists because latter happened to be the
> > > muslims.
> > > > i am a maharashtrian married to a kashmiri pandit
> > > who has become regugee
> > > > in his own country. as
> > > > they are hindus nobody in interested in their
> > > welfare because this act
> > > > will tarnish their secular
> > > > image. 'talking to pakistan' 'talking to
> > > terrorists' etc. etc. is secular
> > > > because they are
> > > > muslims. i hate this pseudo secularism i hate
> > > these secularists.
> > > > vedavati ravindra jogi
> > >
> > >
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