[Reader-list] Reconstructing Taslima: Response to Shuddhabrata, Anjalika & others
taraprakash at gmail.com
Mon Aug 27 08:28:10 IST 2007
Is it really fair to trivialize the main issue by haunting the person who
dared to say what you did not like him to? Or may be the way you liked him
It is exploitation at its worst.
It will be the best, in the interest of everybody on the list, that remarks
of personal nature about a list member be kept off list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ARNAB CHATTERJEE" <onlysocio at yahoo.co.in>
To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: [Reader-list] Reconstructing Taslima: Response to
Shuddhabrata,Anjalika & others
> Dear SARAI readers, Shuddhabrata and others,
> I think I might just catch up with the phase where the debate lingersnow
> that is presently! This is not an organized response, neither am I ready
> with the resources here to do so. But let me clarify one or two things
> immediately! These I get from the Reader List itselfparticularly from
> those who have commented on the same. And no surprise---they ( the catch
> phrases) return again and again! For instance--- the words ( and so much
> more) liberal; physical violence, freedom of expression and some
> such others.
> To argue for any kind of freedom is not a liberal standpoint. The word
> Liberal should not be used in the sense of being open ( or broad?)
> minded, emancipatory, libertarian, or one who believes in fostering any
> kind of freedom etc etc. The liberal political position is based on the
> notion of individual freedom through individual rights; secondly, a
> distinction that is contextually more crucial to the liberal standpoint is
> the public/ private divide; restraints or openness would be charted
> according to these contours.
> Now in the Taslima in Hyderabad debateeven if we want to retain the
> freedom of expression schema, it would be in terms of individual rights
> of freedom of speech or one might go further and harp a cultural liberal
> standpoint and argue for the freedom of the artist. But if you engage a
> bit historically you will notice that the slogan was engineered in the
> days of art claiming itself to have become autonomous and thus separating
> itself from morality and science and emerging with its own distinctive
> validity claims. This was the good glorified days of cultural modernity
> ( Habermas has elaborate comments on this) aligned with as you see
> political liberal protection given to the individual artist in terms of
> personal rights. ( Now Im not raising the fatal objection raised once
> upon a time by Nietzsche that, if the art/artist requires the protection
> of rights how could it be really free! For Nietzsche rights were also
> fetters: if you argue against absolute rights or royal
> privileges, why dont you argue against rights themselves at some point of
> time to become really free. Nietzsche meant, I guess, how could you
> argue that rights are not a bondage! Or in other words, free art or
> artistic freedom still is connected to politics and needs to declare its
> freedom not through the criteria of art but an external political criteria
> which makes a mockery of this freedom. ) But Im not going for this;
> rather Im summing up for safe that, in this discourse, art is autonomous:
> an artist is free; and clearly this argument is from a liberal modern
> standpoint. So far so good!
> Now, any challenge put to this seems to be from the texts of my dear
> Shuddhabrata et.al is fundamentalism or as Anjalika puts it so much more
> sexily "Hindu fundoos." In other words, the claim of certain "self
> appointed"( again Shuddha) "cultural police" officers(!) that there has
> occurred a denigrating representation of certain communities in certain
> texts ( and resorts to violence ) is cultural fascism, double
> fundamentalism etc. etc. Here I want to put some theoretical facts in
> place ( which I first published in The Statesman in the year 2000 in the
> wake of this same kind of furor around the films Water and Fire).
> The thing that challenges liberal modernity in art ( or whatever) in
> postcolonial nation states is not fundamentalism, but democracy. This
> algorithm was first formulated by Partha Chatterjee and no one has, to my
> mind, been able to refute this schema. Sounencumbered thereforeIll
> adopt this proposal for application.
> Arguing in modernist terms when the artist declares his freedom of
> expression where expression is understood as speech, community spokesmen
> ( in the absence of representative politics within religious communities
> they have to be self appointed or nominated) harshly voice the question of
> the artists answerability or accountability to the communities who tend
> to have a self image of their own; they claim that they have the right to
> be represented in consonance with their cognitive self-understanding. This
> belongs to what I call the politics of designation ( some call it
> identity politics). These are purely democratic claims ( cultural group
> rights?) and are growing more and more audible with the advance of
> democratic politics everywhere. Shuddha would not repent a violent dalit
> backlash against an allegedly intentional brahmanic image-making of the
> dalit. Even when feminists claim that women are stereotypically denigrated
> in pornography or in masculist texts, the claim
> resembles the form and structure of such a politics.
> Is part of the picture clear now? The raving debate! I think it is.
> Now, physical violence! Ive already said elsewhere that the question of
> toleration in the face of discrimination is an empirical question; it
> cannot be predicted with certainty when and how and who will be screwed or
> beaten up! ( In that case, Sania Mirza instead of being thrashed up has
> resorted back to her micromini; she can afford this and the "armed radical
> Islamic activists"( not "fundoos") have not been able to organize the
> required coercion; its a matter of determinate chance). Secondly, those
> who slander against physical coercion have not answered why indirect
> manipulative politics of dirty hands would be hierarchically better placed
> than direct physical violence. I discussed this in detail in my posting
> ( see SARAI list, search A.C, post 2.5, May 10 ) and brought in the
> witness of Kant who says direct violence can be relied upon but not malice
> which is a slur upon mankind. And here my dear Shuddha makes the blunder
> of arguing that because Taslima has not called
> for "killing", she cannot be killed. Shuddha, this is ridiculous! Are all
> the people killed everyday, approved of killing as a theoretical claim? Or
> because Marx announced a program of "violent overthrow", deserved to be
> killed just because of that? In fact it is just the reverse. The human
> rights arguments actually spring from the disapproval of death for not
> only one who advocates murder but the convicted killer: killing looses its
> legitimacy only there and then; animal rights arguments are a step further
> in this direction to help build a non murderous society. Killing cannot be
> disenfrachised by arguing safe passage for those who have not given a call
> to kill.
> Thirdly and lastly, those who believe in democracy as only deliberation
> and ask for a dialogue across the table ( not bed hahhahha), let me inform
> them with humility that Taslima was challenged by an Islamic cleric
> scholar in Kolkata (I have the details) to come to an open debate on the
> Islamic portions of her engagement, she didnt agree on the "imaginary"
> grounds that she will be "abused."
> Finally, let me close by saying that I took this trouble only because I
> have great reverence for Shuddha and I consider him one of the best minds
> I know. And when with a lot of anticipation I start reading his post, at
> times Im disgusted with the liberties that he takes in order to score an
> activist point and urge us to meet at Jantar Mantar. I know that sometimes
> it is necessary to stop thinking and arguing and start acting but then I
> think the declaration should be as terse as it is required.
> When I see such loose ends elsewhere also for writers in haste, I just
> feel like reminding them that thinkers have and are still spending lives
> on each of the threads of such subjects; things are not as easy as they
> look.( Anjalika Sagar mentions liberalism in service of porn-gurus; I
> can just remind her that there are excellent, sophisticated and
> devastating arguments on both sides so much that the debate remains
> unsettled. Has she read them enough to argue against?) Actually I dont
> mind self complacent but vacuous arguments in newspaper (post) editorials;
> they dont dare confront what Habermas called the force of the better
> argument but when I notice that such a mind as Shuddhabrata arguing with
> such loose ends hanging, I feel deeply lost. Shuddhas silence would not
> rescue him from the mess that he has got himself in..
> I wrote all this to remind Shuddha that given our expectations he should
> keep his level lovelyalways at his best.
> And we would be delighted to read what we would like to read. This was
> Shuddha at his worst!
> Thanking you
> Yours in discourse and debt
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