[Reader-list] How someone "well connected" got RIK screening Cancelled
rahul_capri at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 27 08:41:18 IST 2007
Corrections to my post:
Sanjay Kak is the name of the person..and the movie
was not banned but prevented by Police to be
screened.I apologise on posting without reading the
full details.But the basic issue still stands.viz.Is
the nation justified in preventing from screening
\banning some forms of expression?
--- Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jeebesh,Shuddha or any other champion of freedom of
> I really want to understand where you guys are
> from and I think it is very necessary for the people
> of the country that we get at the bottom of
> this,because you guys reflect the opinion of a lot
> people in the media.
> A nation is defined by certain underlying
> principles.Those principles are not that are subject
> to amendment by legislation.So,for example,Iran is
> Islamic democracy.Its the underlying principle of
> state and even if 99% want to be secular,there is no
> process in the framework by which Iran can become
> secular,unless of course,there is a civil war and
> bloodshed, in which case,anything is possible.
> India is a secular democracy.To anyone who wants to
> create a Hindu/Muslim/Christian nation;does not have
> constitutional way to accomplish this.Violence of
> course is always a recourse.The principle of
> immutability of borders is one of the principles
> is inherent to the existence of every nation
> state.India is no exception.As far as I know,no
> gives a constitutional process to redraw its
> So,the only course followers of such an intention
> is violence,terrorism etc.
> So,the facts of the case are this,Amitabh Kak made a
> movie enabling the ideology which is against the
> underlying principles of the nation.It was banned.I
> do not see your problem with this.Now of course,the
> fact that the movie did enable that ideology or
> not,can be argued.but not that it shouldnt be
> You guys may have risen above the concept of nation
> religion etc, but nation itself,by definition,cant
> rise above the definition of itself.
> (I think this is a simple statement,dont know why it
> comes out so convoluted;perhaps my English is not
> So to ask the nation to allow freedom of expression
> ideologies which go against its underlying
> and which if enabled,can only lead to violence and
> strife,is like asking a primary school to use "We
> need no education" as its morning prayer.
> To further illustrate my point,I think Amitabh Kak's
> background or financier is irrelevant here.So is the
> traumatic roleplaying that Jeebesh was subjected
> a group of old ladies in a village in Kerala
> decide that they want a separate country and start
> distributing pamphlets,I would support confiscating
> the pamphlets and giving them adequate
> punishment.Freedom of Expression my foot!
> Jeebesh/Shuddha,lets try to convince each other.I
> believe its very important.
> Hoping to hear from you
> --- Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Jeebesh
> > The pain in your words is touching. The pathos
> > your questions will move the coldest of hearts.
> > Aahhhhhh! no one left to argue with and
> > Alas! this deep fear and inability to live with
> > disagreements. Woe on this desire of people to
> > satiate their rage. Curse those trying to restrain
> > our intellectual lives.
> > Jeebesh your traumas need attention. Let's do
> > role-playing with you as the protagonist.
> > It was a small world, a village of sorts where
> > everyone knew everyone else. Close cousins were
> > called "my brother" and "my sister", other than
> > parents and grandparents, every adult was an
> > or "aunt".
> > In it lived Jeebesh. In the last of his teens or
> > maybe just past them but really a child as most
> > young men were in those seemingly but largely
> > uncorrupted surroundings. For long years (some say
> > since many a centuries from the past) they
> > the innocence of Trust and Hope.
> > SK also lived there or at least today he claims
> > to. SK is Jeebesh's "cousin". Everyone in your own
> > age group was a "cousin" if you could not trace
> > some other close relationship.
> > 18 years back an Exodus of Jeebesh's people took
> > place. Everyone knew everyone else.
> > Jeebesh knows they had not known enough. The
> > terrain had parted and lake-seas receded, the
> > volcanoes had gone quiet. No one had recognised
> > signs of upheavals that were to come.
> > For Jeebesh today, memories of those times are a
> > whirling blur of images and sounds. They would
> > him mad if he could afford to lose his sanity:
> > - Jeebesh's sister was picked up and raped and
> > left abandoned.
> > - Another sister was raped and killed after
> > - Another sister was raped and killed but they
> > mutilated her breasts.
> > - Jeebesh's mother was not spared either.
> > - Jeebesh remembers his father hanging dead on a
> > tree
> > - He remembers the corpses of young and old and
> > male and female riddled with bullets
> > - Most of all he remembers the fear in the eyes
> > those around him.
> > - He remembers the loudspeakers blaring hate
> > messages from places meant for worship.
> > - He remembers his own fears reflected in the
> > of those around him.
> > Inspite of that "Trauma List", for 16 years
> > those days, Jeebesh tried to put his life together
> > in new surroundings. He whined every now and then,
> > he sobbed in the loneliness of alien lands. He met
> > up with tiny groups to recount happy memories and
> > sing songs of his Lost Land, if they could.
> > Not many in the New Land seemed to acknowledge
> > that Jeebesh existed. Jeebesh led a quiet
> > Jeebesh's existence had been quietened.
> > In the 17th year of the Exodus, Jeebesh's
> > SK made a film. Jeebesh got to know about it.
> > SK's film eulogised those responsible for
> > Jeebesh's 'Trauma List". Self confessed
> > of some cases and supporters of other murderers
> > rapists. SK's film celebrated them and their call
> > for "Aazadi".
> > SK forgot that in the seeking of "Hurriyat"
> > (Freedom) lay their merry-go-round of barbarianism
> > that was Jeebesh's whirling blur of images and
> > sounds from his "Trauma List".
> > Will Jeebesh try to have the screening of SK's
> > film stopped? What will Jeebesh's decision be?
> > Kshmendra Kaul
> > Jeebesh Bagchi <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> > On 25-Aug-07, at 8:14 AM, rashneek kher wrote:
> > > We
> > > filed a complaint and since Sanjay Kak is
> > the law of the
> > > land by
> > > screening a movie which does not have necessary
> > censor certificate,
> > > the
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