[Reader-list] BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh arrested a Delhi-basedJournalist
dhatr1i at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 9 18:06:25 IST 2008
Haha Exhausted Suddhabrata,
>>For all I care, you could be a Brahmo Samajist, a Seventh Day Adventist, a
>>lapsed Roman Catholic, a de-sexed pagan cyobrg in dire need of
>>therapy or a born-again, paranoiac, alcoholic (or abstinent) Santan
>>Dharmi who spends way too much time on the internet.
I contradict over and above with the term "alcoholic Santan Dharmi"? What do you exactly mean by using that term? I observe the possible conclusions as
1) One should not follow "Sanatan Dharm" at all?
2) All ALCOHOLICS in INDIA or abroad mystifying the world as "Sanatan Dharmis"?
3) Those who are all following "Sanatan Dharm" are ALCOHOLICS?
4) Those who ever following "Sanatan Dharm" do belong to
5) "Sanatan Dharmis" not at all present in CONGRESS,CPI and CPM?
Possibly the 2nd one is most suitable and correct anyway,
Please let me know how much can be gained for a defamation as I am fighting a minor litigation, I am thinking to file a "defamation" as well. I request you please don't ask a service charge for this.
Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
I am curious to know, where in the post by Arshad Amanullah you have
read that the journalist, Nadim Ahmad, had violated any law? Which
law do you think has been violated? Where (in Arshad's posting) do
you find the evidence of this violation?
The report forwarded by Arshad mentions the editor of Mr. Ahmad's
newspaper citing conversations with a police officer about the
journalist, his whereabouts and his assignment, and even the police
officer who is quoted in the forwarded report does not seem to
indicate that the Mr. Ahmad had broken any law. Which leap of
imagination then impels you to make the assumption that he had?
I find it disgusting that you should assume that the journalist has
violated any law whatsoever, without any stated proof to that effect.
All that we can surmise from reading the above mentioned report is
that Mr. Ahmad was doing his job - making enquiries in a completely
legitimate manner, as journalists are supposed to do. Morover,
nowhere, in the posting that Arshad has forwarded, is there any
reference to Mr. Ahmad's faith, or his relationship to an
organization called SIMI, and yet, I can see that you cannot resist
the cheap temptation of stating that - (and I am quoting you
- "he is journalist (sic), that does not mean he is above the law, he
can do anything to go anywhere and even sheltor (sic), support and
shield the few fanatics because he is journalist, that is when
conflict of interest comes in free India, when religion is used to
propagate hatred, to foist violence, like the SIMI now banned does.
If system of governance arrests a few, who are in subversion of laws,
planning violent acts in the guise of religion and its freedom, laws
have to take care of such deviant behaviour in free society."
Where, in Arshad's posting do you find grounds to believe that the
journalist, "sheltered, supported and shielded" any "fanatics"? Is it
only on the grounds of his name, and what we can learn about the
possibility of his beliefs, again on the basis of that name. What can
we learn on the basis of a name. If I take your name for instance, I
cannot even tell whether you are male or female, whether you are
Hindu, or a person of another faith, or no faith at all, who happens
to have the Sanskrit names of a hindu deity (Radhika) and the term
for a royal personage, (Rajen) attached to his/her name. For all I
care, you could be a Brahmo Samajist, a Seventh Day Adventist, a
lapsed Roman Catholic, a de-sexed pagan cyobrg in dire need of
therapy or a born-again, paranoiac, alcoholic (or abstinent) Santan
Dharmi who spends way too much time on the internet. Your name gives
me no real indication whatsoever, actually. And any negative
judgements that I, or anyone esle would make about you, your motives,
your character, your personality on the basis of your name would be
totally indefensible. If I had to make judgements, they would have to
rely on your actions and your statments, not your name.
Now, let us assume that I was a journalist, trying to investigate the
detention of the activists of a supposedly 'Hindu' organization like
the Bajrang Dal. Now let us further assume that I was arrested, in
the course of doing so. Would you, or anyone else, then be taken
seriously, if you or they, made a statement to the effect that I was
arrested, because I was "sheltering, supporting and shielding" the
activists of the Bajrang Dal (because Shuddhabrata Sengupta sounds,
in an appropriately deadpan Sanskritic way, like an ostensibly
'hindu' name, though it actually says next to nothing about my
personal convictions in the matter of religion).
Such an allegation, if it were not backed by any substantive proof,
would be patently absurd. Similarly, your implicit allegations (which
infer connections and convergences of purpose between SIMI activists
and Nadim Ahmad solely on the grounds of the incidental 0 and
therefore irrelevant - marker of Mr. Ahmad's name), are equally absurd.
You, sir, or madam, or whatever you may be, are the true fanatic
here. You cannot resist making broad generalizations about other
peoples' character based on nothing other than the sound of their
name. It really shows how narrow the bandwidth of your intelligence
and your imagination is.
I think you owe this list an apology, and I suggest that you study
the Indian Penal Code carefully before making flimsy allegations
about being above or below the law. The law can be used quite
effectively against people like you who make baseless and wild
allegations about other people's character and conduct. I suggest you
take a careful look at section 499 of the Indian Penal Code, it
spells out the law of a crime called defamation. Be careful.
no regards whatsoever, not to you, not this time,
On 08-Apr-08, at 6:21 PM, radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> Losten my friend, he is journalist, that does not mean he is above
> the law, he can do anything to go anywhere and even sheltor,
> support and shield the few fanatics because he is journalist, that
> is when conflict of interest comes in free India, when religion is
> used to propagate hatred, to foist violence, like the SIMI now
> banned does. If system of governance arrests a few, who are in
> subversion of laws, planning violent acts in the guise of religion
> and its freedom, laws have to take care of such deviant behaviour
> in free society. Be it a hindu, muslim or any faith, group of
> individuals who are traitors to the society for the "religion" are
> not citizens who deserve to be spared as law has to take care of
> such deviant behaviour., irrespective of the system of governance,
> or the political party that rules the state, why is it that some
> point out such incidents as if system is against the faith, but not
> against lawless behaviour by "journalist. ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: arshad amanullah
> Date: Monday, April 7, 2008 10:42 pm
> Subject: [Reader-list] BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh arrested a Delhi-
> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>> New Delhi, 7 April 2008: Late last evening the police
>> in the BJP-ruled state of Madhya Pradesh arrested a
>> Delhi-based journalist who had gone there to report on
>> recent arrests in the state.
>> The journalist is Mr Nadim Ahmad, a staffer of The
>> Milli Gazette fortnightly English-language newspaper
>> published from Delhi since 2000.
>> Ahmad was arrested by the police early 6 April evening
>> in village Aroda/Choral under Balwada Police Station,
>> Distt Khargone, Indore Range. Contact with Ahmad was
>> possible until late in the evening on his mobile phone
>> (# 09911334768). However, since this morning he is not
>> picking up his phone while Police Inspector Sunil
>> Visthre (mobile # 09926670086), who took Ahmad in
>> custody, is not responding to calls on his mobile.
>> Enquiries with highest police officials in Indore have
>> failed to help trace the whereabout of the arrested
>> journalist. The Milli Gazette editor, Dr Zafarul-Islam
>> Khan, has written in this matter to Mr Shivraj Patil,
>> the Union Home Minister, MP Governor Mr Balram Jhakar,
>> MP Chief Minister Mr Shivraj Singh Chauhan, MP home
>> minister Mr. Himmat Kothari, as well as to top police
>> officials in MP state.
>> If the journalist remains untraceable, Dr Khan plans
>> to file a habeas corpus suit in the Supreme Court of
>> India tomorrow, 8 April.
>> Issued by The Milli Gazette
>> D-84 Abul Fazal Enclave-I
>> Jamia Nagar, New Delhi 110 025
>> Tel. (011) 26942883, 26947483, 26952825
>> Email: edit at milligazette.com
>> Website: www.milligazette.com
>> Following is the text of the letter sent by Dr
>> Zafarul-Islam Khan, Editor, The Milli Gazette, on 7
>> April 2008 via fax, email and courier to a number of
>> central and MP state authorities:
>> "This is to inform you that we are a registered
>> English-language fortnightly newspaper published
>> regularly since January 2000 (registered RNI number
>> DELENG/2000/930). A few days back we sent Mr Nadim
>> Ahmad, one of our full-time staff reporters, to
>> Sarangpur, Madhya Pradesh, to report on communal
>> violence there. At about same time news of arrests of
>> alleged SIMI members also came from an adjacent area
>> in the state, so I instructed him to go to Indore as
>> well to report on the situation there and to visit
>> some places from where arrests were made. Mr Ahmad
>> reached Indore yesterday, 6 April 2008, and after
>> making enquiries about the location of the concerned
>> areas, went to village Aroda/Choral under Balwada
>> Police Station, Distt Khargone, Indore Range (Thana
>> phone No. 07280-261237) whose in-charge is Town
>> Inspector Mr Sunil Visthre (mobile no. 09926670086).
>> Inspector Visthre spoke to me last night at around 8-9
>> pm using Mr Ahmad's mobile no. 09911334768 asking why
>> he was in the area. It was explained to him that Mr
>> Ahmad was a full-time staff reporter of this paper and
>> he was there at my instructions to report on the
>> recent arrests. Inspector Visthre told me that there
>> was nothing to worry about and Mr Ahmad is helping
>> enquiries and he is not under arrest.
>> My last contact with Ahmad was at 11.06 pm yesterday
>> (6 April 08) on his mobile phone in which he said he
>> is alright and was answering questions by the police;
>> Inspector Visthre also spoke to me over the same phone
>> at that time and told me that there is nothing to
>> worry about as they were only trying to establish the
>> reason why Mr Nadim was in the area.. Mr Nadim Ahmad's
>> last call was at 1.28 am on 7-4-08 which I could not
>> receive as I had gone to bed by that time. In the
>> morning I tried to contact Mr Ahmad using his mobile
>> number but there was no response. Thereafter, I phoned
>> Balwada Thana at the above phone number and was
>> informed that Inspector Visthre has taken Mr Ahmad to
>> Indore in the morning at 6 AM. Efforts to contact Mr
>> Ahmad since then have failed; Inspector Visthre too is
>> not taking up calls to his mobile. After this, I
>> phoned Indore Superintendent of Police Mr Anshuman
>> Yadav on his mobile no. 09425115144 at 11.30 am (7
>> April 08). He told me that he had no information about
>> this matter.
>> As of now, my apprehension is that Mr Nadim Ahmad has
>> been arrested and kept under custody at an unknown
>> place for no reason whatsoever as he was only
>> discharging his duties as a journalist to investigate
>> matters of common and media interest. I fear that
>> under the current charged atmosphere in the state of
>> Madhya Pradesh, Mr Ahmad may have been falsely
>> implicated in some matter and illegally deprived of
>> his liberty. I request you to immediately intervene in
>> this matter and ensure the freedom of press guaranteed
>> by our Constitution and laws."
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