[Reader-list] Please Think Before You Write the Subject Line

Fri Aug 22 19:08:34 IST 2008

Dear All,
I would request that individual replies should be marked to individuals
only,what has the rest of group to do with it ?

These are basics.

Regards

Pawan

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Pawan ji
>
> this is perhaps high time to notice that how we can go wrong. this
> applies to all of us. i repeat, all of us
>
>
> with love
> is
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Some people never change, interestingly in february 2007, a person had
> > written the following to Shivam :
> > http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/02/20/dear-shivam-vij/
> >
> > Dear Shivam vij ,
> >
> > If you want to bash Hinduism/caste system/whatever, do it based on
> > *solid* understanding
> > of the issue you're writing about. But when you write absolute
> > nonsense<
> http://www.shivamvij.com/2007/02/the-stain-that-just-wont-wash.html>
> > that
> > stems from the dark depths of your abysmal ignorance,
> >
> > Not that I expect you to condescend and respond to this post…
> >
> > PS: No wonder this appeared in *Tehelka*.
> >
> >
> > I am awaiting the next post from dear friend Shivam. He
> > has definitely arrived.
> >
> > Jeeve Jeeve "Abysmal Ignorance" Jeeve .
> >
> > Yahan Kya Chalega ...Abysmal Ignorance
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Pawan Durani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <
> shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Shivam.
> >>
> >> I was saddened to see that you had written "Hindu Terrorism in Jammu"
> >> in the subject line of your recent post. Also, I think your remark
> >> about KP "sanskars" in a previous post were not in good taste, I was
> >> saddened to read them.
> >>
> >> Arguing against the oppression that is carried out in the Kashmir
> >> valley by the Indian state does not mean that we have to vilify any
> >> community. And even if communities get vilified in this debate by
> >> some of its participants, I expect you not to reciprocate in kind. As
> >> a journalist whose work I respect, I expect much better of you.
> >>
> >> I must point out to you that nowhere in the report  that you had
> >> forwarded does it say that a 'Hindu' mob attacked the Congress
> >> politician, or that they were raising 'Hindu' slogans, (even if we
> >> assume that they were nominally Hindu) it merely says that they were
> >> raising 'Anti-Congress, PDP and NC" slogans.  And a mob attack,
> >> though reprehensible, is not an act of terrorism. To say it is to
> >> mirror the tactics of those who poison every discussion on these
> >> matters (all over the world) by adding the prefix "Islamic" to
> >> terrorism. It is as ridiculous to talk about Islamic or Hindu
> >> terrorism as it is to speak of Islamic of Hindu agriculture or mining.
> >>
> >> Crowds in the Kashmir valley often raise, "Anti Congress, PDP and NC
> >> slogans" and they are generally Muslim crowds, and sometimes they set
> >> fire to vehicles and ransack homes. Just as it would be totally
> >> inappropriate to tag such an episode as an instance of "Muslim"
> >> terrorism, so, too I think it is totally inappropriate and uncalled
> >> for on your part to tag this report with the headline "Hindu
> >> Terrorism in Jammu"
> >>
> >> This kind of rhetorical grandstanding does not help anyone, and I
> >> would urge everyone, especially Shivam, to be restrained and
> >> thoughtful while forwarding posts.
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Shuddha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 22-Aug-08, at 3:17 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् wrote:
> >>
> >> > Jammu: Protesters attack Congress leader
> >> >
> >> > 22 Aug 2008, 0045 hrs IST,TNN
> >> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/
> >> > Jammu_tense_protesters_attack_police_station/articleshow/3389045.cms
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > JAMMU/SRINAGAR: There was no let up in violent protests against the
> >> > revocation of forestland transfer to the Amarnath Shrine Board on
> >> > Thursday, as senior Congress leader and former J&K deputy chief
> >> > minister Mangat Ram Sharma had a narrow escape when protesters
> >> > attacked him at Bhagwatinagar in Jammu. ( Watch )
> >> >
> >> > SSP S D S Jamwal said Sharma was attacked while he was visiting a
> >> > doctor with his grandson. "Protesters attacked his vehicle with rods
> >> > and stones," he said. Sources said a cop saved Sharma from the
> >> > rampaging mob and whisked him away on his scooter. Raising
> >> > anti-Congress, PDP and NC slogans, the protesters set three cars in
> >> > Sharma's cavalcade on fire. "Later, the mob also torched a nearby
> >> > police nakka," a police officer said.
> >> >
> >> > Sharma has been at the receiving end of the Amarnath protesters; mobs
> >> > have twice attacked his house in Jammu's upmarket Gandhi Nagar
> >> > neighbourhood. Day curfew, meanwhile, was lifted from Jammu and
> >> > Udhampur districts, while it was relaxed for varying periods in other
> >> > areas of the province. Curfew was reimposed in Jammu after violent
> >> > protests on Wednesday, the third and final day of Shri Amarnath Yatra
> >> > Sangarsh Samiti (SASS)'s 'Jail Bharo Andolan'.
> >> >
> >> > Authorities relaxed curfew for three hours in Kishtwar town, the scene
> >> > of communal clashes on August 12 that left two people dead and several
> >> > others injured. "Curfew was relaxed for 11 hours in Samba," a senior
> >> > official said.
> >> >
> >> > A large number of people turned up for Samiti's scheduled "funeral
> >> > ceremony of Union government" programme in Jammu. Reports from across
> >> > Jammu region said similar processions were carried out "to register
> >> > protest against Centre's silence over the Jammu agitation".
> >> >
> >> > The Valley remained largely peaceful for the third consecutive day,
> >> > after 10 days of violent street protests against the alleged economic
> >> > blockade left at least 22 people dead.
> >> >
> >> > Police resorted to teargas shelling and mild baton charge to disperse
> >> > protesters at Munawarabad in old Srinagar. "The protesters were trying
> >> > to march towards United Nations Military Observers' office," an
> >> > official said. He said no one was hurt in police action.
> >> >
> >> > Students continued to boycott classes and took to streets. "The
> >> > indiscriminate use of power proves that New Delhi wants to suppress
> >> > Kashmiris," Rafiqa Akhtar of prestigious Women's college said. She
> >> > said college students' protests prove that even youth are against
> >> > "imperialism".
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