[Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Fri Jan 18 10:33:56 IST 2008 

Zainab ,

I do not diagree that representatives of states sometimes do misuse their
authority . However the difference is that when a hindu is violated he
doesnt turn anti national.

Regards

Pawan


On 1/18/08, Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My dear Chanchal,
>
> Before you unsubscribe from the list, let us have a good argument. I have
> an
> appetite for one and it's strange that my appetite emerges when you are
> vocal on an issue. Anyhow, let's get down to the "facts".
>
> Firstly, until you do not tell me where you got the information from, I
> have
> no way to find out whether this is "correct" or "not".
>
> Secondly, I have been to Kashmir too and have been eve teased on the roads
> by "Hindu" soldiers if you please. (I thought patriotic souls like you
> don't
> make distinctions on religious grounds when it comes to the army??!?!?!)
>
> Thirdly, in any conflict situation where the army is brought into the
> picture, there are likely to be violences committed against women, whether
> the women are Hindu or Muslim. If you have been to Kashmir, you don't need
> to be reminded of what happened to the girls in the Kunan Poshpora
> incident?
> (unless of course you choose not to see this aspect of "facts" because it
> does not suit your position!?!) If you have ever heard of violence in
> Punjab, you don't need to be told of how women, irrespective of whether
> they
> are "Hindu" or "Muslim" or "Punjabi" (in case you think "Hindu" don't
> apply
> to "Punjabi" women), have been raped/coerced into sleeping with the
> policemen.
>
> Fourthly, on the second evening of our time in Srinagar, the boys and
> girls
> who had come with me, were sitting in the houseboat and discussing
> "India",
> "Kashmir" "Hindu-Muslim conflicts in India", etc. with Kashmiri boys. The
> Kashmiri boys referred to the violences against Muslims in "India" and the
> "Indian" girls and boys (I am going to be killed for calling one of them
> "Indian" because he is against state violence in Telangana) spoke of the
> exodus of the Pandits. At one point in the discussion, someone raised the
> point stating that there are enough "facts" that can be gotten to support
> "our points of view", and none of these would be wrong. The point is
> whether
> we are willing to budge from our *positions* and see other perspectives.
>
> You can continue to support the army and get evidences about Muslim men in
> the army committing violence against Hindu women and you can work the
> flawed
> logics of your flawed mathematics posed with history the way you like to
> see
> it. And you can even continue to say that you don't hate Muslims but are
> wanting them to raise their voices against these happenings. But why don't
> you have the "guts" to get down from your position and see that violence
> is
> being committed against women in almost all conflict areas whether it is
> Punjab or North East or Kashmir or Palestine or Nicaragua or Iraq. And
> here
> it is not a question of Hindu women versus Muslim women versus Christian
> women versus alien women. It is a matter of women violated by the state
> which manifests itself in the form of the army. I hope that as a woman,
> you
> can be sensitive to this rather than brush this aside and get into your
> baseless (until you quote sources and evidence) ranting about "Hindu" and
> "Muslim"!
>
> Apologies if I am sounding angry, but sometimes I just cannot make out
> what
> you are trying to communicate and then what you say ends up making me
> wonder
> as to where your sensitivities, logics and brain lie.
>
> Best,
>
> Zainab
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 10:37 PM, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It would be great, if I am unsubscribed from this list..
> > I do not want to waste my time with people who cannot see beyond the
> > screen...
> >
> > Thank you all...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Kulpreet Singh <zapfmann at gmail.com>
> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:32:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at
> Delhi
> > - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> >
> > On Thursday 17 January 2008 22:27:53 Zainab Bawa wrote:
> >
> > Way to go Zainab!
> >
> > -kp
> >
> > > Dear Chanchal,
> > >
> > > Can you please quote the sources of your information? Otherwise we can
> > all
> > > cook up facts ad nauseum, to suit our points of view.
> > >
> > > Thanking you in advance,
> > >
> > > Yours truly,
> > >
> > > Zainab
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 17, 2008 9:51 PM, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > The news is correct.. But there is more depth to such news..
> > > > Like the one I am quoting here..
> > > >
> > > > In Kashmir some Army officials have been court martialed.. you all
> > know
> > > > this..
> > > > But the real stories has many faces..
> > > > one of them is:
> > > >
> > > > Muslim senior officers had forced junior Hindu officers to bring
> Hindu
> > > > girls for enjoyment...
> > > > And somehow these juniors ran away and didn't do it.. and they were
> > court
> > > > martialed..
> > > >
> > > > So those who defame Indian Army in Kashmir and other places, must
> also
> > > > try to know the name of officers who had done the crime and just not
> > > > defame the whole Army..
> > > > For example, we can take the case of who posted this mail...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: OISHIK SIRCAR <oishiksircar at gmail.com>
> > > > To: peaceworksdefenders at googlegroups.com;
> > > > sexualityinstitute2002 at yahoogroups.co.in; sarai list <
> > > > reader-list at sarai.net>; ILS Across Borders <
> > > > ILS-Across-Borders at googlegroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:39:40 PM
> > > > Subject: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at
> Delhi
> > -
> > > > Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > > *Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and Armed Forces Special
> > > > Powers Act *
> > > >
> > > > *On the Eve of Republic Day *
> > > >
> > > > *25th January 2008 *
> > > >
> > > > * *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On July 15 2004, for the first time in its history, the Indian
> > > > "democracy" witnessed an unusual mode of protest against its
> > government.
> > > > About a dozen women came out on the street and disrobed themselves,
> > > > protesting against the
> > > > AFSPA and rape/murder of Thangjam Manorama, in front of an occupied
> > > > historic
> > > > place, the Kangla Fort in Manipur, (where the 17 th Assam Rifles
> > > > Battalion is stationed).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The message of the protest was "INDIAN ARMY RAPE US". This novel
> > > > agitation sparked the awakening of many citizens inside the country
> as
> > > > well as people
> > > > in other parts of world, on the plight, sufferings and atrocities on
> > > > Manipur
> > > > people under the military boots.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *These brave and noble women from Manipur are coming to Delhi to
> stir
> > up
> > > > the
> > > > claustrophobic Government of India, on the eve of Republic Day and
> > going
> > > > to
> > > > continue for a month time. The protest is being organized against
> the
> > > > Central Government's arrogant behavior, blatant propaganda and
> > > > insensitivity
> > > > towards the plight of people of Manipur *
> > > >
> > > > * *
> > > >
> > > > The Indian Government has actively encouraged violence committed by
> > the
> > > > security forces under the draconian law -- Armed Forces Special
> Powers
> > > > Act,
> > > > 1958 (AFSPA, 1958), which legitimizes any army personnel to shoot,
> > kill
> > > > and
> > > > destroy a person or a property on mere "suspicion". This Act has
> also
> > > > promoted militarization in the entire North East, where possibility
> > for
> > > > any
> > > > genuine legal proceedings to take place for justice or
> accountability
> > has
> > > > become an impossibility and use of extra-judicial killings by
> > > > state-promoted
> > > > renegade groups like the SULFA in Assam and Ikhwaanis in Kashmir
> with
> > > > complete impunity has become endemic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The country is proud to claim itself as the world's largest
> democracy,
> > > > but how it is defining it, is a real question and a mockery, when
> > there
> > > > is martial law functioning (AFSPA 1958) in North East and J&K
> regions
> > for
> > > > nearly last fifty years.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Friends, this kleptocratic government is a clear and present danger
> to
> > > > every
> > > > citizen of this country. We need to protest fiercely until the
> system
> > is
> > > > put
> > > > in place, in order to ensure the security of common citizens.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *We are inviting every citizens of this nation to participate in the
> > > > campaign to strengthen our long overdue peaceful struggle as many
> days
> > as
> > > > you would be able to. This is the least we can do to protest against
> > this
> > > > injustice system which saddens our hearts yet the government ignores
> > to
> > > > listen our plight. We are confident that  truth will emerge
> victorious
> > > > one day through your esteem support. *
> > > >
> > > > *                Looking forward for your kind presence. *
> > > >
> > > >  *Please come and join on the*
> > > >
> > > > *Campaign against Militarization, Impunity, and the Armed Forces
> > Special
> > > > Powers Act. *
> > > >
> > > > * *
> > > >
> > > > *Date: 25th January 2008*
> > > >
> > > > *Place: Jantar Mantar *
> > > >
> > > > *Time: 1:00 pm*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Recommendation for the repeal of AFSPA 1958 from government
> committees
> > > > and international organizations:
> > > >
> > > > ·        1991, UN Human Rights Committee
> > > >
> > > > ·        2005, Justice Jeevan Reddy Committee
> > > >
> > > > ·        2006, India UN CEDAW Report
> > > >
> > > > ·        2007, UN CERD
> > > >
> > > > ·        2007, Administrative Reform Committee
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Campaign Coordinator
> > > >
> > > > Onil
> > > >
> > > > Reachout
> > > >
> > > > +91-9818781767
> > > >
> > > > Email: onilrights at gmail.com , reachout2006 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sundara Babu Nagappan
> > > >
> > > > Independent Researcher
> > > >
> > > > +91-9311744919
> > > >
> > > > Email: babuubab at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sapamcha Kangleipal
> > > >
> > > > NE Youth Coordinator
> > > >
> > > > +91-9862096539
> > > >
> > > > Email: kangleipal at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Vani Subramanian
> > > >
> > > > Saheli
> > > >
> > > > +91-9891128911
> > > >
> > > > Email: saheliwomen at hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kavita Joshi
> > > >
> > > > Impulse
> > > >
> > > > +91-9868888642
> > > >
> > > > Email: kj.impulse at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tanya Mathan
> > > >
> > > > Coordinator, Voluntary Agency Placement Programme (VAPP),
> > > >
> > > > Lady Shri Ram College
> > > >
> > > > +91-9891703465
> > > >
> > > > Email: vapp.lsr at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *(Esteemed supporters please endorsed your organization name and
> bring
> > > > your
> > > > organization's name banner on the day of protest) *
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > OISHIK SIRCAR
> > > >
> > > > Scholar in Women's Rights
> > > > Faculty of Law, University of Toronto
> > > >
> > > > 60 Harbord Street
> > > > Room 016 B
> > > > Toronto, ON M5S 3L1
> > > >
> > > > oishiksircar at gmail.com
> > > > oishik.sircar at utoronto.ca
> > > >
> > > > 416.876.7926
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