[Reader-list] Farewell to our Humid Weimar

Kshmendra Kaul kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 14 14:24:26 IST 2008 

Dear Radhikarajen
 
Questions have a questioning in them so they cannot be Utopian. If my answers sounded Utopian to you, then I would disagree with you that they are so.
 
You seemed to have missed the point (completely) in my questions and my answers:
 
1. Going through the IAEA and NSG routines does not in any way whatsoever mean that you have entered into the (legally enforceable) deal with the USA. Do you disagree?
 
2. Successfully going through the IAEA and NSG routines leaves India better placed to enter into a deal or deals with any country of (nuclear) interest, an access which is currently blocked. USA need not be one such country that India "deals' with. Do you disagree?
 
Whether USA is an 'angelic' entity or a 'satanic' one does not come into the picture.
 
 
Kshmendra
 

--- On Mon, 7/14/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:

From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Farewell to our Humid Weimar
To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 12:38 PM

Kshemendra, 

  your questions are basically utopian and answers given by you are only
theoratical and not practical, after the citizens of the world have seen how if
you are with America, you have to be ready to recieve body bags for the
misadventure of America for its leaders folly in  Afghanistan and Iraq.
Australian PM Howard was seen by his citizens as lapdog of Bush, do you need a
hairy happy lapdog of our PM on the lap of american president.?

  Regards. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Farewell to our Humid Weimar
To: reader-list at sarai.net

> Dear PK
>  
> "Opposing the Deal is to oppose every evil of the Imperialism." 
> That sounds very very very "holier than thou" and pompous.
>  
> Questions for you:
>  
> 1. Does IAEA Agreement automatically place India in your feared 
> "unholy matrimomy" (my words) with the USA? My answer is NO.
What 
> is yours?
>  
> 2. Does successful negotiation with the NSG automatically place 
> India in your feared "unholy matrimomy" with the USA? My answer
is 
> NO. What is yours?
>  
> 3. Let us imagine that there is no USA, wouldn't India still have 
> to go the IAEA and NSG route if it wants to freed of current 
> (nuclear) restrictions on it? My answer is YES. What is yours?
>  
> 4. Does help received from the USA with the IAEA and NSG place 
> India under any Legal obligation to (nuclear) deal thereafter only 
> or primarily with the USA? My answer is NO. What is yours? 
>  
> Kshmendra
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/12/08, prakash ray <pkray11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: prakash ray <pkray11 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Farewell to our Humid Weimar
> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 8:52 PM
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It is not surprising to hear some of the 'liberated' ones (read
> Shuddha,
> Shivam and Salim) mouthing anti-Left arguments over the current 
> debate over
> the nuclear deal. People like them, as far as I remember, have 
> 'always'attacked the Left without any gap or break. I do not want 
> to blame them for
> their political positions, but I would accuse them for their
> shortsightedness for not seeing or observing any positive 
> contribution or
> position of the Left. Some of us consider ourselves 'liberated'
since
> we
> write, read and lecture, and we only do that. We forget that our 
> 'falsesense of liberation' is a mere reflection of our handsome 
> salaries and
> convenient middle class location. And I do not consider that a 
> sin. However,
> I request them to reconsider their 'holier than all' approach.
> 
> Coming to the issue of the Deal, I am wondering they do not 
> articulate their
> position except mouthing anti- everything nuclear sacredness. 
> Their belief
> of the Left and BJP coming together is speculative and based on a 
> reportappeared in Times Now website. Let me ask them that they 
> believe what the
> TOI and its associates say on the Deal or the Nano car or economic 
> policiesetc. Shivam could have researched on the matter since he 
> is a reporter
> himself. I would like to hear from Shuddha on the support extended 
> by the
> Left to the UPA for the last four years. Mr Advani getting 
> interviewed in
> the Hindu must be looked at a mere media exercise. Every
> newspaper/magazine/channel including Tehlka publishes interviews 
> of the
> politicians of all colours including Mr Mahendra Karma of the 
> Salwa Judum
> infamy. The Hindu 'also' publishes Ms Arundhati Roy at regular
> intervention
> and it was Mr N Ram who interviewed the former President K R 
> Narayanan on
> the eve of the Republic Day which was telecast on DD in place of the
> customary prez speeches. And here on the Sarai reder list, the 
> right-wingers
> get more space. Should one read it as 'something' about the
moderator
> or
> Shuddha himself?
> 
> I see the Deal as a profound sign of the Govt's closeness to the US
> administration that is waging war against mankind everywhere and
> continuously demonizing the opposing sections worldwide. I do not 
> find any
> fault if someone sees the Deal as anti-Muslim given the fact that 
> the US and
> Indian Govts are continuously targeting the community. I do not 
> think the
> readers need fact related to this. I do not find any fault if 
> someone sees
> the deal as an attack on the national sovereignty since I consider the
> nation as a weapon against the growing imperialist attack on the 
> poor and
> less-powerful nations. I support the alliance of such nation 
> against the
> policies and politics of the US.
> 
> Opposing the Deal is to oppose every evil of the Imperialism.
> 
> Let me ask some simple questions:
> 
> Was the Left wrong when they supported the UPA led by the Congress?
> Should the Left continue the support so that Dr Singh could go 
> ahead with
> the Deal?
> Should the Deal be supported since the BJP might get benefit in 
> elections if
> the Govt falls?
> Since BJP has members in the Loksabha, should the Left oppose or 
> supporteverything only on the basis of the position taken by the BJP?
> Are the policies of Mr Bush not guided by the ideology of the 
> 'clash of
> civilizations'?
> 
> Regards,
> Prakash
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