[Reader-list] [Fwd: Re: Gujarati 'pride' hurt once again]

radhikarajen at vsnl.net radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Tue Jun 24 14:28:37 IST 2008

      Tapas, you are exactly right when you say that Atalji has asked Modi to follow rajdharma in good governance. But unfortunately there seems to be none to say that in Assam to tarun Gogoi, or to Sheila dixit or to SM Krishna who sold public property to private enterprises and lakes are destroyed in karnatak during his rule.!
   When poor were killed in Singur and nandigram there is none to say that to Buddhadeb. ! Atleast that indicates the statesmanship of Atalji and corrective actions that followed by Modi, who ordered firing of rioters whoever they may be, hindus and muslims. Did you in free india ever see this type of strict action in any state where rioters are normally rewrded with MLA and MP seats and tickets. ! Journalists being awarded for partisan coverage and spinned pre poll surveys. ?CM or any one being human may make mistakes in governance but seniors in party correct such mistakes, does any other set up has this sort of advice in other parties. ?
  If that be so, we could not have seen a good CM Achuthananda suffering in the hands of Pinarayi ravi. !


----- Original Message -----
From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008 5:55 pm
Subject: [Reader-list] [Fwd: Re:  Gujarati 'pride' hurt once again]
To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>

> Sorry, Radhika! I sent this to you instead of the list a couple of 
> minutes ago, by clicking "Reply" instead of "Reply to" for the 
> umpteenth 
> time.
> But this gives me the opportunity to add something I had on my 
> mind but 
> forgot to mention:
> Speaking of Modi's quality of governance and his supposed 
> impartiality, 
> let's not forget that, while visiting Gujarat during or 
> immediately 
> after the riots, none other than Atal Behari Vajpayee - his own 
> party 
> boss and Prime Minister of India - had found it necessary to 
> remind him, 
> in public, to follow "rajdharma". That means Vajpayee - no 
> "pseudo-secularist" himself - did not think Modi was practising 
> statecraft based on ethics and morality.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:07:32 -0400
> From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
> To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Peace, my friends! I haven't been able to follow discussions on this
> list lately. This thread caught my eye and I tried to read the whole
> thing, but gave up after the last few posts. From that, I can say a
> couple of relatively inconsequential things:
> 1) Radhikarajen need not worry about her (assuming s/he is a she)
> physical safety because of Shivam's threat to throw his keyboard 
> at her.
> I'm sure he (assuming s/he is a he) is speaking rhetorically ... 
> or is
> he? Even if he is speaking literally, Radhika need not worry too much,
> because: (a) computer keyboards are pretty light these days (let's 
> singthe praises of technology), and (b) if Shivam is somewhere up 
> north(Delhi?) and Radhika down south (Bangalore?) as I think they 
> are, the
> keyboard will lose all its momentum by the time it reaches Radhika.
> 2) About the ideologies of the mass media, I think their main aim in
> life is to make money, and everything else is secondary. We should not
> forget this when we say the Times of India is pro-Congress and The 
> Hinduis pro-CPI(M). Most businesses have to cater to a particular 
> niche of
> the market, and they have found their own niches among people who 
> do not
> mind Congress and CPI(M) slants, or actually want these. Of 
> course, this
> is not as simple as it sounds: just as the audience is not 
> passive, to
> be moulded by the media, the media too are not passive, to be 
> moulded by
> the audience. They are mutually constitutive. Even after counting that
> in, I think the media will not hesitate to give up, or at least tone
> down their respective political slants if these lead to sustained 
> lossesat some point, unless they have the death wish.
> Once again, let there be peace on earth, or at least on the Sarai 
> list ;)
> Tapas
> radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> > Dear Shivam,
> > 
> > your reply betrays that you are neither capable of honest 
> argument in a debate nor are you keen in exchange of thoughts, but 
> gloating and going with killer instinct in the competetive world 
> with your demeaning reply with absurd thoughts. If you want to 
> score brownie points you are free citizen, entitled to it, but it 
> shows how hollow is your concern for the society that you live in.!
> > 
> >    As to my remote, and my career with journalism, you are free 
> to use your faculties to draw your own conclusions, which reflect 
> your immature or mature mindset as they do not seem to be 
> concerned about moral degradation in society and rightly so, in 
> the present system only money matters and success at any cost 
> seems to be credo/ achievement.?
> > 
> >   Regards.
> > From: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:24 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarati 'pride' hurt once again
> > To: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>, 
> radhikarajen at vsnl.net> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>, 
> Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
> > 
> >> Hi Shivam.
> >> I was not expecting a harsh reply on this. What I was 
> expecting, 
> >> however, 
> >> was another
> >> www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/...
> >>
> >> link. I am planning to teach Argument this August onwards. I 
> found 
> >> sort of 
> >> answer in your mails to my question "how the hell do you teach 
> >> argument?"
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