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[Aditya Raj Kaul]

Dear List Reader's,

I was wrong when I thought that with the much needed e-mail by the 'List
Administrator' the matter would be resolved. But, unfortunately, there still
are people rigid on their autocratic stand, their ego is much more than the
smooth functioning of the group. One of them is Inder Salim, who now also
wants to become Prime Minister of India (In fact, knows he'll become
someday). Help our nation will someone!

Inder Salim has an habit to drag things out to no bounds. He can just
exaggerate to no limits and is for no solution to any problem.

There have been occasion when even we have been targeted and named with all
sorts of rubbish. But, you remain silent on it. Don't we deserve an apology
? Or, you typically turn blind at this point. (Refer List archive for proof,
I don't have time these days honestly to hunt those points and links and
words and then post in this non-issue debate)

Lastly, Inder Salim, I decided to ignore all these mails long back for the
best of this list and even all members who were annoyed with me and others.
But, unfortunately, you and your jhollahwallahs have still some patience
left to extend this already much extended issue.

Kindly wake up and try to dwell upon issues of more importance, concern.

And, I can bet Pawan Durani will prefer sucide rather then a so called
'Bharat Ratna' from some Inder Salim.

Are you sure you are Inder Salim ? To become a PM, before that a MP and much
before that a Politician (for which you qualify), you need a name and
identity proof. Who is Inder Tickoo ?

Love
Aditya Raj Kaul

On 11/14/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> you see pawan,
>
> i will reply in detail, again and again,  ( even, i have done many
> times already  ) but , just  provide proof to the allegations against
> Shuddha , i will take all the  arguments back, i will give u a bharat
> Ratna along with MF  Hussain.
>
> i mean it, as and when i will become Prime Minister of India.
>
> but for the sake of love,
> please please provide the proof,
>
> or simply say there were none, say sorry, ( which i know u wont )
>
> say something, u and aditya have lost credibility because of false
> allegations, ( i forget spitting and  other crap ) so come our
> bravely, come on young boy, come out  comrade, this is right time,
>
> else,  i have all the rights to ignore ur mails
>
> love
> is
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Fatima ,
> >
> > You are wrong !
> >
> > Please start thinking and reading again.
> >
> > What Yasir wrote was that KP's needed to be removed and sent to PK .It
> was
> > not me who had anything like Kashmiri Pandit in my mind.
> >
> > I never said anyone who hates Kashmiri Pandits , perhaps like you ,
> should
> > be evicted. You have a right to hate anyone, as do I.
> >
> > The problem is that you are very crafty in putting words in others mouth
> and
> > provoking people to react and at the same time diverting from the main
> > content.
> >
> > And in this case it was Mr Tapas who called me a fascist creep and Mr
> Inder
> > who compared us to terrorists.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > A fascist terror creep
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/14/08, Fatima फ़ातिमा <fatimaschool45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Shuddha
> >> Of course I know that. You probably didn't see the last para of Pawan's
> >> mail where he sarcastically says:
> >>
> >> "I would not ask Mr Yasir of whether he should not be thankful to SARAI
> >> group
> >> hosted from India of being hospitable in true Indian traditions to have
> him
> >> here instead of asking SARAI to be hospitable of ejecting me from the
> >> group."
> >>
> >> By this he means that all Pakistanis (or Bangladeshis) are anti-Kashmiri
> >> Pundit, and have no right to being on the list, but it is our big heart
> that
> >> we are tolerating them. Isn't that true Pawan?
> >>
> >> Fatima
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <
> shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Dear Fatima,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What's there to be thankful about? The reader list has never defined
> >>> itself along lines of nationality.  The 'indians' here are not hosts,
> and
> >>> the rest guests. We are all guests in each others time and
> attention.This is
> >>> not an 'Indian' list. Nor is it a list with any specific bias for or
> against
> >>> any nationality. In fact the question of nationality is irrelevant
> here. I
> >>> don't see how being 'Indian', or anything else should make any
> difference to
> >>> being on the list,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Shuddha
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On 14-Nov-08, at 3:06 PM, Fatima फ़ातिमा wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes Pawanji,
> >>> All foreigners (like Yasir Pakistani, and Naeem Bangladeshis, Britta
> >>> European and others) should be thankful to Sarai for allowing them to
> be its
> >>> members. In true Indian tradition, we allow all anti-nationals here -
> we
> >>> have a big heart.
> >>>
> >>> Fatima
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I strongly believe that no one should be told to hold back. I do not
> mind
> >>>> being called a fascist or a creep by Tapas nor do I mind being
> compared
> >>>> with
> >>>> terrorists by Inder .
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a difference when people express themselves , thier
> intentions
> >>>> and
> >>>> ideology. When Aditya wrote "Dumbocracy" , he was blunt , however what
> is
> >>>> being exhibited here by Mr Tapas and Mr Inder is exactly a reflection
> of
> >>>> what Aditya wrote.
> >>>>
> >>>> Having said that , I would love to see more reactions from these
> >>>> gentlemen.
> >>>> I do not and would not write back the same classy words they chose .,
> nor
> >>>> would i ask Mr Tapas his intention of defaming hindu community in
> >>>> disguise
> >>>> of being secular . I would not ask him what holds him back of not
> >>>> mentioning
> >>>> destruction of temples in Kashmir when he choose to mention Babri
> >>>> structure
> >>>> - Ram Mandir and neither would I ask him why he does not write burning
> of
> >>>> train in Godhra while mentioning terrible events in Gujarat. I would
> not
> >>>> ask
> >>>> him if he has memory failing in both of these ? I would not ask him
> why
> >>>> he
> >>>> does not balance what he writes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Inder Ji is a member of my KP community and I have many times tried to
> >>>> avoid
> >>>> replying back to him . As you understand we are a very small community
> >>>> and
> >>>> chances of interacting or meeting each other is high . It would be sad
> >>>> that
> >>>> we have a history of fights should we meet each other in future .
> However
> >>>> I
> >>>> would not ask him , what makes him think we are like terrorists , is
> it
> >>>> just
> >>>> we tell our 'victim' story and are still proud of being a Kashmiri
> Pandit
> >>>> .
> >>>> I would not ask him why he takes liberties of his art on those things
> >>>> which
> >>>> we hold in high esteem. He may have an answer that nude art may have
> been
> >>>> there in ancient hindu temples , but would Mr Inder be kind enough to
> >>>> share
> >>>> if the art did exist in martand temple in Kashmir , where Mr Inder did
> >>>> his
> >>>> own nude photography ? What may hold good in a Dargah may not hold
> good
> >>>> in a
> >>>> masjid . You don't find Qawaalis sung in mosques .....is it not ? I
> would
> >>>> not ask Mr Inder that again in the name of art what made him split a
> >>>> picture
> >>>> of Durga Goddess in two [ http://indersalim.livejournal.com/ ] . I
> would
> >>>> not
> >>>> ask him if he has ever wondered that his art may be hurting someone ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I would still not ask those whole group of people , apart from Mr
> Shuddha
> >>>> ,
> >>>> why have they remained silent on wordings of Mr Tapas and Mr Inder and
> >>>> whether they approve of thhose words or not ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I would not ask Mr Yasir of whether he should not be thankful to SARAI
> >>>> group
> >>>> hosted from India of being hospitable in true Indian traditions to
> have
> >>>> him
> >>>> here instead of asking SARAI to be hospitable of ejecting me from the
> >>>> group.
> >>>>
> >>>> For If i ask these two gentlemen , I would be a creep fascist ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Pawan Durani
> >>>> This is my last mail on this subject.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/14/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Dear Tapas, Dear Inder, dear all,
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I would strongly urge you and everyone to temper and moderate your
> >>>> > language. Nothing is served by you or anyone calling anyone a
> 'fascist
> >>>> > creep'. The point about abuse has been effectively made. Let's move
> on
> >>>> now.
> >>>> > Please do not continue to exacerbate the situation by calling people
> >>>> > fascists. No political formation in India today is free of
> >>>> authoritarian and
> >>>> > fascist tendencies. And yes, I strongly believe that the only way to
> >>>> > confront fascism, wherever it exists, is with an open democratic
> >>>> culture
> >>>> > that privileges dialogue and reason. We cannot use fascist methods
> to
> >>>> combat
> >>>> > fascism, because then we become their mirrors and gradually we
> become
> >>>> > exactly like them.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Please safeguard and protect the democratic nature of your own
> >>>> commitment
> >>>> > to this space as a space of openness, dialogue and reason where all
> >>>> points
> >>>> > of view are welcome and can be debated in an open way. Lets not gang
> up
> >>>> on
> >>>> > anyone now, not even on those who may have ganged up on others
> before.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > regards
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Shuddha
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >  On 14-Nov-08, at 10:45 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >  On 11/13/08, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:<<<<<<<<<<<< in
> my
> >>>> >
> >>>> > opinion - is that these members are (as we have stated recently)
> part
> >>>> of
> >>>> > the
> >>>> >
> >>>> > fascist creep we have seen in India, which is becoming a thrust with
> >>>> every
> >>>> >
> >>>> > passing day.  >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Tapas,
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thank you for your wonderful statement, to which non of the member
> >>>> reacted.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Pawan
> >>>> >
> >>>> >