[Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath Accord

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Sun Sep 7 00:59:10 IST 2008 

Aarti,
Since you r NOBODY in Kashmir issue, you re irrelevant when it comes to
discussing the issues and the personalities involved.

And I wonder why Inder Ji does not respect himself by suffixing Balasaheb or
Advani Ji with Sahib.

I know Murtaza and Yasin Malik better than they know themselves and to know
why I know so much about these liars  ...you better know me.

Pawan



On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pawan,
>
> How is working with a brussel's based organisation a statement about
> someone's credibility? Is a job being a "paid agent'? Then we are all "paid
> agents" of someone or the other. The kashmir affairs website says quite
> clearly that it is a non-funded organisation. If you know something the rest
> of us don't, then maybe you should share it with the list. Otherwise your
> attack on Murtaza makes no sense whatsoever.
>
>
> Aarti
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Rashneek
>> >
>> > some times back Mr. Kshmendra said something similar to me,
>> >
>> > " you deserve to be ignored "
>> >
>> >  and now it is you who said it to Shuddha.
>> >
>> > I beleive, anybody who had developed a dislike for a particular person
>> > may simply prese the botton ' delete'
>> >
>> > it is too easy.
>> >  because to express the anger on the list is worst than even 2+2=5.
>> >
>> > now, coming back to the basic question of 'Land and Freedom in
>> > Kashmir' as seen in the present and beyond:
>> >
>> > We all know what is the the stand of an Nationlaist Indian. There is
>> > nothing new, What you are saying is no differnt from Man Mohan Singh
>> > ji, our PM.
>> >
>> > But if the religion of  all Kashmiris is ' AZADI  then how to convert
>> > them all into other religion which is Indian Nationalism in this case.
>> >
>> > I think it is very simple. Army and police and other  reasoning has
>> > not helped us.
>> >  I too would like to see a change of heart in kashmir. but, after 1990
>> > that possiblity looks now remote. Whatever the reasons...
>> >
>> > Yes,  Kashmiri pandits have a legal claim in the valley, but that can
>> > be the part of a real discussion, as and when it happens between the
>> > representatives of all the inhabitants of the disputed territory.
>> >
>> > Now disturbes my personally, is that the fact that the Hindu Right
>> > wing has politically appropriated the whole intellectual worth of
>> > Kashmiri pandits. which is not different from Jamat-i-Islami's effort
>> > to represent the whole of AZADI in kashmir. Kashmiri pandits need to
>> > write about it boldly. And if there is none, they one Advani-cum-Modi
>> > is enough to represent them. That will be unfortunate.
>> >
>> > We all know how people in kahsmir are handling this issue. Everything
>> > is hazy, but  we have recently witnessed how Geelani sahib had to
>> > retract from his claim of total representation. So similarly you too
>> > need to think that every kashmniri pandit is not necessarly a
>> > VHP/BJP/BajrangDal/ShivSanik lover. Let us respect the possiblity.
>> >
>> > then that  will amount to 2+2=4
>> >
>> > with love
>> > is
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Just press the delete button, anything that you consider
>> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Dear Aarti,
>> > >
>> > > You are so right. We just can't ignore Shuddha's posts on this forum.
>> He
>> > > needs to be corrected from time to time, hence, we just can't remain
>> > silent.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Be careful Aarti.Disinformation spread can be dangerous.
>> > >
>> > > Warm Regards,
>> > > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Really? Is that so? In which case every post shuddha writes, rife
>> with
>> > >> inaccuracies and and ignorance, should immediately get a response
>> from
>> > you
>> > >> setting the record straight. Instead, what we witness is a deafening
>> > >> silence. Be careful and intelligent about whom you choose as your
>> > >> adversaries Rashneek. And I think you are well aware of whose posts
>> are
>> > >> generally ignored on this list and it certainly isn't Shuddha.
>> > >>
>> > >> regards
>> > >> Aarti
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> All that notwithstanding, Shuddha's knowledge and understanding of
>> > either
>> > >>> history or politics is of Kashmir is so poor or so full of
>> inaccuries
>> > >>> (intentional as well ignorant) that it is time we start ignoring his
>> > posts
>> > >>> on Kashmir.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Rashneek
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>> > kauladityaraj at gmail.com
>> > >>> >wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > And, In a recent lecture in Jamia University, he was no different.
>> > >>> > Advocating pan-Islamist movement in Kashmir.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On 9/3/08, Lalit Ambardar <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > It is not surprising.AG Noorani is a known sympathiser of the
>> > Kashmiri
>> > >>> > pan
>> > >>> > > Islamists & their cause.  He ran a campaign series in support of
>> > the
>> > >>> > > separatists in HT for years .The very fact that Noorani has
>> chosen
>> > to
>> > >>> > call
>> > >>> > > Jammuites as 'communal forces' & 'parivar' & the accord itself
>> as
>> > >>> > > 'gunah-e-bey lazzat' & describe those who attempt to seek "azadi
>> > -bara
>> > >>> -e
>> > >>> > > -Islam" as 'victims' says it all.
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > Noorani once went overboard in " don't be fence-sitters " (HT
>> New
>> > >>> > Delhi/May
>> > >>> > > 8, 2007)  in  his appreciation of Sayad Sallahudin of HM & the
>> > >>> al-Qeada
>> > >>> > > affiliate LeT. In a  bizarre coincidence , the day LeT chief
>> > allegedly
>> > >>> > > assured some Gen. Patankar of his willingness to come to India
>> for
>> > >>> talks
>> > >>> > > (...????....) as claimed by Noorani in the article , that very
>> day
>> > >>> Hafeez
>> > >>> > > Sayad confessed to the reporters in Islamabad about the
>> existence
>> > of
>> > >>> > > terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan & declared his resolve to
>> > carry
>> > >>> on
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > > 'jihad' to its logical conclusion (Ref. TNN/ Times of India,
>> > DEL/May8'
>> > >>> > 07/
>> > >>> > > page no.13).
>> > >>> > > LA
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:55:11 -0700> From:
>> > kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > To:
>> > >>> > > shuddha at sarai.net> CC: reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re:
>> > >>> [Reader-list]
>> > >>> > > Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath Accord> >  >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>>
>> >
>> http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >  >  >
>> > >>> > > > > --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <
>> shuddha at sarai.net>
>> > >>> > wrote:>
>> > >>> > > > From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>> Subject: Re:
>> > >>> > > [Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath
>> Accord>
>> > To:
>> > >>> > > "Shuddhabrata Sengupta" <shuddha at sarai.net>> Cc: "Sarai list" <
>> > >>> > > reader-list at sarai.net>> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008,
>> 4:07
>> > PM>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > > Dear all,> > The link to the Noorani article in the Greater
>> Kashmir
>> > >>> > > Newspaper in > my earlier post got inadvertently truncated. Here
>> is
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> > > correct link.> > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?
>> >
>> > >>> > > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1> > Thanks, Tilak Upadhyay for
>> > pointing
>> > >>> this
>> > >>> > > out.> > best,> > Shuddha> > On 03-Sep-08, at 3:16 PM,
>> Shuddhabrata
>> > >>> > Sengupta
>> > >>> > > wrote: Dear all> > > Dear All,> >> > An unusual intensity of
>> hunger
>> > >>> for
>> > >>> > land
>> > >>> > > unites corporations, state> > agencies and shrine boards in
>> India.
>> > >>> > Captains
>> > >>> > > of Industry,> > politicians and land hungry divines seem to be
>> more
>> > >>> > > interested in> > acrage than in anything else. The Mahabharata
>> > >>> mentions
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > > burning of> > the Khandava forest to appease a hungry god,
>> > >>> inaugurating a
>> > >>> > > long> > history of burnt and erased forests and commons. It
>> appears
>> > as
>> > >>> it
>> > >>> > > we> > are surrounded now by 'hungry gods'. The Khandava-daha
>> > >>> continues.>
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > > > Be it Chengara (thanks, Anivar Aravind for keeping us updated
>> > about>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > > land struggle in Kerala, where the ruling CPI(M) led Left Front>
>> >
>> > is
>> > >>> > intent
>> > >>> > > on displacing indigenous communities from their land), or> >
>> Singur
>> > >>> > (where
>> > >>> > > again, the ruling CPI(M) wants to gift land 'free'> to a> >
>> > gigantic
>> > >>> > > corporation or Amarnath, - the issues - remain the same -> > to
>> do
>> > >>> with
>> > >>> > > state mediated acquisition of land, and the sequestering> > of
>> > either
>> > >>> > > cultivator's land, or a natural commons into some form of> >
>> > 'gated'
>> > >>> and
>> > >>> > > 'fenced' land.> >> > There has been some premature media spin
>> > around
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> > > 'accord' that> has> > been reached with the Shree Amarnath Yatra
>> > >>> > Sangharsh
>> > >>> > > Samiti based in> > Jammu. On the face of it, the accord appears
>> to
>> > >>> grant
>> > >>> > a
>> > >>> > > limited usage> > right to the Shree Amarnath Shrine Board. On
>> > closer
>> > >>> > reading
>> > >>> > > of the> > text however, it becomes evident that the terms of
>> this
>> > >>> > 'accord'>
>> > >>> > > are> > actually even more invasive than was the case with the
>> > >>> substance
>> > >>> > of>
>> > >>> > > > the original gubernatorial 'land transfer' order in May.> >> >
>> I
>> > am
>> > >>> > > enclosing below - an article by A. G. Noorani, a well known> >
>> > legal
>> > >>> > > historian and practitioner of constitutional law, titled> > 'An
>> > >>> Immoral
>> > >>> > and
>> > >>> > > Illegal Accord' which was published in the Greater> > Kashmir
>> > >>> newspaper
>> > >>> > > today. It is available on line at -> >
>> > >>> > > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?> >
>> > >>> > > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1> >> > Noorani carefully reads the
>> > terms
>> > >>> of
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > > Amarnath Accord in this> > article. As I had pointed out before
>> on
>> > >>> this
>> > >>> > list
>> > >>> > > (in my second post> > (dated 15th August, 2008) in the thread -
>> > 'Gun
>> > >>> > Salutes
>> > >>> > > for August> > 15' in response to Sonia Jabbar and Aditya Raj
>> Kaul -
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> > > anger in> > Kashmir has a lot to do with the arbitrary
>> acquisition
>> > of
>> > >>> > land -
>> > >>> > > I> > had shown, using state government figures, how the
>> equivalent
>> > of
>> > >>> > one> >
>> > >>> > > in ten fruit orchards can be said to be under the occupation of
>> > the> >
>> > >>> > Armed
>> > >>> > > Forces. The 'Amarnath Land Transfer' issue needs to be seen> in>
>> >
>> > >>> this
>> > >>> > > context.> >> > As long as that anger (regarding the alienation
>> of
>> > >>> land)
>> > >>> > is
>> > >>> > > not> > addressed, the people of Kashmir will have no reason, in
>> my>
>> > >
>> > >>> > > estimation, to think of themselves as anything but under a
>> brutal
>> > and>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > > unrelenting occupation. The current 'Amarnath Accord' in my
>> view,>
>> > >
>> > >>> > worsens
>> > >>> > > the situation, and can alienate the people of Kashmir (for> >
>> the
>> > >>> reasons
>> > >>> > > that Noorani underlines below) even more. As such, it can> >
>> only
>> > be
>> > >>> > viewed
>> > >>> > > as yet another provocation, yet another disaster, in> > the long
>> > and
>> > >>> > > undistinguished record of the Government of India's> > tragic
>> > >>> blundering
>> > >>> > on
>> > >>> > > Kashmir. It cannot but prove to be divisive in a> > situation
>> that
>> > >>> > urgently
>> > >>> > > requires the opposite.> >> > regards> >> > Shuddha> >> >
>> > >>> > >
>> > ======================================================================
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > ==> > =======================> >> > An Immoral and Illegal
>> Accord>
>> > >
>> > >>> > Greater
>> > >>> > > Kashmir, September 03, 2008> > A G NOORANI> >> > Srinagar, Sep
>> 2:
>> > The
>> > >>> > accord
>> > >>> > > between the Jammu and Kashmir government> > and the Shri
>> Amarnath
>> > >>> Yatra
>> > >>> > > Sangharsh Samiti on 31 August is far> > worse than the
>> government's
>> > >>> order
>> > >>> > > only three months earlier on 26> > May. It grants the SAYSS
>> > >>> concessions
>> > >>> > > beyond what the May order did.> > It is one-sided and marks an
>> > abject
>> > >>> > > surrender to violence, blockade> > and to communal forces. The
>> > >>> > differences
>> > >>> > > between the order and accord> > are glaring. Here is a list:> >>
>> >
>> > 1.
>> > >>> The
>> > >>> > > order was made pursuant to a decision on 20 May by the cabinet>
>> >
>> > in
>> > >>> > which
>> > >>> > > both Jammu and Kashmir were represented. The accord> >
>> completely
>> > >>> ignores
>> > >>> > > Kashmir where the land is to be given. Jammu alone> > was
>> > represented.
>> > >>> A
>> > >>> > > week earlier, there was a clampdown in the Valley> > and top
>> > leaders
>> > >>> were
>> > >>> > > arrested.> >> > 2. Even the controversial order nowhere used the
>> > word
>> > >>> > > "exclusive".> > The SAYSS felt so emboldened as to demand it and
>> > >>> threaten
>> > >>> > to
>> > >>> > > wreck> > the deal if it was not conceded. The government yielded
>> in
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> > > early> > hours of 31 August. Para 6A says that the Government
>> > "shall
>> > >>> set
>> > >>> > > aside> > for use by Shri Amarnathji Shrine Board exclusively the
>> > land
>> > >>> in>
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > Baltal and Domail". This order unknown anywhere in the world is>
>> >
>> > >>> > cloaked
>> > >>> > > under a lie by calling it "traditionally under use for the> >
>> > annual
>> > >>> > yatra
>> > >>> > > purpose". The traditional route for over a century is> > the
>> > Pahalgam
>> > >>> > route.
>> > >>> > > The Baltal route is a recent demand. It was> > regarded by the
>> Army
>> > >>> and
>> > >>> > > Nitish Sengupta Report as dangerous. It is> > also unnecessary
>> if
>> > the
>> > >>> > limit
>> > >>> > > of yatris set by the Report (1 lakh) is> > observed.> >> > 3.
>> This
>> > >>> > violates
>> > >>> > > the citizen's fundamental right under Art. 19 (1) D> > to move
>> > freely
>> > >>> > > throughout India. The demand of exclusivity was not> > made even
>> in
>> > >>> May
>> > >>> > 2008
>> > >>> > > or in decades earlier. It is pure communal> > aggression using
>> the
>> > >>> yatra
>> > >>> > for
>> > >>> > > political demonstration not religious> > piety.> >> > 4. The
>> > duration
>> > >>> of
>> > >>> > use
>> > >>> > > is widened to cover pre and post yatra period.> > Para 6 C first
>> > says
>> > >>> > that
>> > >>> > > the land will be used "for the duration of> > the yatra"
>> including
>> > the
>> > >>> > > period of preparations and winding up. But> > the very next para
>> > has
>> > >>> > these
>> > >>> > > sinister words: "The aforesaid land> > shall be used according
>> to
>> > the
>> > >>> > > Board's requirements from time to> > time, including for the
>> > >>> following".
>> > >>> > > There follow 9 measures including> > construction, setting up of
>> > the
>> > >>> > sheds
>> > >>> > > and shops etc. These can be> > done even beyond the yatra period
>> > "from
>> > >>> > time
>> > >>> > > to time" and "according> > to the Board's requirements"; may be
>> all
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> > year
>> > >>> > > around.> >> > 5. Para 8 of the order insisted that the land
>> "shall
>> > >>> > return"
>> > >>> > > to the> > State. This is dropped in the accord. This
>> accomplishes
>> > S.K.
>> > >>> > > Sinha's> > objective— permanent use the year round.> >> > 6.
>> Also
>> > >>> dropped
>> > >>> > > totally is Para 4 on payment for user.> >> > 7. Dropped too is
>> Para
>> > 6.
>> > >>> An
>> > >>> > > undertaking of "foolproof measures> > against water pollution
>> and
>> > Para
>> > >>> 7
>> > >>> > on
>> > >>> > > payment of fine for damage to> > the forest. There is a pious
>> > >>> provision
>> > >>> > in
>> > >>> > > accord Para 6 C (ix) among> > the objectives of land user;
>> namely
>> > >>> > > "undertaking measures relating to> > … preservation of ecology"
>> > etc.
>> > >>> > Breach
>> > >>> > > entails no fine.> >> > 8. The order of 26 May was rescinded on 1
>> > July.
>> > >>> > The
>> > >>> > > accord will> > require a fresh order to implement it. By itself
>> the
>> > >>> > accord
>> > >>> > > has no> > legal force. Section 2(a) of the J&K Forest
>> > (Conservation)
>> > >>> Act
>> > >>> > > 1997> > says "the Government shall not, except on a resolution
>> of
>> > the
>> > >>> > > Council> > of Ministers based on the advice of the Advisory
>> > >>> Committee"> >
>> > >>> > > constituted under the Act "make any order directing that any
>> > forest> >
>> > >>> > land
>> > >>> > > or any portion thereof may be used for any non-forest purpose".>
>> >
>> > The
>> > >>> > > earlier phrase "Council of ministers" merely was revised by an>
>> >
>> > >>> > amendment
>> > >>> > > in 2001 and the Forest Advisory Committee's advice was> > added
>> and
>> > >>> made
>> > >>> > > mandatory. "Council of Ministers" is specific. It is> >
>> different
>> > from
>> > >>> > "J&K
>> > >>> > > Government" whose powers vest now in the> governor> > alone. The
>> > law
>> > >>> > > intentionally provides the resolution as a safeguard.> > This
>> > Council
>> > >>> can
>> > >>> > > come into existence only after the next elections.> > In any
>> case
>> > the
>> > >>> > Forest
>> > >>> > > Advisory Committees advice on 12 July 2007> > cannot apply to
>> this
>> > new
>> > >>> > > accord which must be vetted afresh by that> > Committee. It was
>> > given
>> > >>> > before
>> > >>> > > the Supreme Court's final judgment in> > the T M Godavarman case
>> on
>> > 23
>> > >>> > > November 2007 which lays down the law> > and makes important
>> > >>> observations
>> > >>> > on
>> > >>> > > balancing development with> > protection of environment. Failure
>> to
>> > >>> > consider
>> > >>> > > it vitiates the> > decision. Precisely based on
>> misrepresentation
>> > of
>> > >>> > opinion
>> > >>> > > of the> > deputy CM Muzaffar Hussain Beg and advocate general
>> Altaf
>> > >>> Naik
>> > >>> > > both> > of which were given in entirely difference cases.> >> >
>> The
>> > >>> > accord
>> > >>> > > lacks legal efficacy as well as moral and political> >
>> legitimacy.
>> > Any
>> > >>> > order
>> > >>> > > in its implementation will be void in law. It> > is a pity that
>> the
>> > >>> state
>> > >>> > > should bend all rules to buy peace with> > communal forces
>> > including
>> > >>> > promise
>> > >>> > > to consider compensation for law-> > breakers. What of
>> compensation
>> > to
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > > Valley for the blockade? The> > parivar in Jammu has already
>> begun
>> > >>> asking
>> > >>> > > for more. The Government> > has not bought peace but trouble. It
>> is
>> > >>> > > gunah-e-bey lazzat (sin> > without any taste.)> >> > If the
>> state
>> > can
>> > >>> > thus
>> > >>> > > bend its knees before the Sangh parivar on an> > issue like
>> this,
>> > what
>> > >>> > hopes
>> > >>> > > of justice can Kashmiris entertain when> > it comes to restoring
>> > the
>> > >>> > raped
>> > >>> > > Article 370 to a status of worth and> > respect?> >> > END> >> >
>> > >>> > >
>> > ======================================================================
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > ==> > =======================> >> >> >> >
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