[Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath Accord (Nobody)
Pawan Durani
pawan.durani at gmail.com
Sun Sep 7 14:04:24 IST 2008
Baruk,
For "nobodies" like you I have written about Nooranis observation. Pls
check
http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/noorani/
And if "nobodies" are no expert...they better not become"somebody" about
Kashmir issue.
And unfortuantely these nobody have as much understanding about Kashmir as I
have of the pictures and poems on your blog. So i dont even comment on that.
I hope this does make you understand ?
Pawan
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Baruk S. Jacob <b_a_r_u_k at yahoo.com> wrote:
> pawan,
>
> there are a lot of us on this list who are "nobody" in the kashmir issue.
> if your discussion is confined to who you define as "somebody", maybe you
> could send THEM your mails. leave us nobodies out!
>
> ~baruk
>
> http://bottlebroke.blogspot.com
>
>
> --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath
> Accord
> > To: "Aarti Sethi" <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 12:59 AM
> > Aarti,
> > Since you r NOBODY in Kashmir issue, you re irrelevant when
> > it comes to
> > discussing the issues and the personalities involved.
> >
> > And I wonder why Inder Ji does not respect himself by
> > suffixing Balasaheb or
> > Advani Ji with Sahib.
> >
> > I know Murtaza and Yasin Malik better than they know
> > themselves and to know
> > why I know so much about these liars ...you better know
> > me.
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Aarti Sethi
> > <aarti.sethi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Pawan,
> > >
> > > How is working with a brussel's based organisation
> > a statement about
> > > someone's credibility? Is a job being a "paid
> > agent'? Then we are all "paid
> > > agents" of someone or the other. The kashmir
> > affairs website says quite
> > > clearly that it is a non-funded organisation. If you
> > know something the rest
> > > of us don't, then maybe you should share it with
> > the list. Otherwise your
> > > attack on Murtaza makes no sense whatsoever.
> > >
> > >
> > > Aarti
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM, inder salim
> > <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Dear Rashneek
> > >> >
> > >> > some times back Mr. Kshmendra said something
> > similar to me,
> > >> >
> > >> > " you deserve to be ignored "
> > >> >
> > >> > and now it is you who said it to Shuddha.
> > >> >
> > >> > I beleive, anybody who had developed a
> > dislike for a particular person
> > >> > may simply prese the botton ' delete'
> > >> >
> > >> > it is too easy.
> > >> > because to express the anger on the list is
> > worst than even 2+2=5.
> > >> >
> > >> > now, coming back to the basic question of
> > 'Land and Freedom in
> > >> > Kashmir' as seen in the present and
> > beyond:
> > >> >
> > >> > We all know what is the the stand of an
> > Nationlaist Indian. There is
> > >> > nothing new, What you are saying is no
> > differnt from Man Mohan Singh
> > >> > ji, our PM.
> > >> >
> > >> > But if the religion of all Kashmiris is
> > ' AZADI then how to convert
> > >> > them all into other religion which is Indian
> > Nationalism in this case.
> > >> >
> > >> > I think it is very simple. Army and police
> > and other reasoning has
> > >> > not helped us.
> > >> > I too would like to see a change of heart in
> > kashmir. but, after 1990
> > >> > that possiblity looks now remote. Whatever
> > the reasons...
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, Kashmiri pandits have a legal claim in
> > the valley, but that can
> > >> > be the part of a real discussion, as and when
> > it happens between the
> > >> > representatives of all the inhabitants of the
> > disputed territory.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now disturbes my personally, is that the fact
> > that the Hindu Right
> > >> > wing has politically appropriated the whole
> > intellectual worth of
> > >> > Kashmiri pandits. which is not different from
> > Jamat-i-Islami's effort
> > >> > to represent the whole of AZADI in kashmir.
> > Kashmiri pandits need to
> > >> > write about it boldly. And if there is none,
> > they one Advani-cum-Modi
> > >> > is enough to represent them. That will be
> > unfortunate.
> > >> >
> > >> > We all know how people in kahsmir are
> > handling this issue. Everything
> > >> > is hazy, but we have recently witnessed how
> > Geelani sahib had to
> > >> > retract from his claim of total
> > representation. So similarly you too
> > >> > need to think that every kashmniri pandit is
> > not necessarly a
> > >> > VHP/BJP/BajrangDal/ShivSanik lover. Let us
> > respect the possiblity.
> > >> >
> > >> > then that will amount to 2+2=4
> > >> >
> > >> > with love
> > >> > is
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Just press the delete button, anything that
> > you consider
> > >> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Aditya Raj
> > Kaul <
> > >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > Dear Aarti,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You are so right. We just can't
> > ignore Shuddha's posts on this forum.
> > >> He
> > >> > > needs to be corrected from time to time,
> > hence, we just can't remain
> > >> > silent.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Be careful Aarti.Disinformation spread
> > can be dangerous.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Warm Regards,
> > >> > > Aditya Raj Kaul
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Aarti
> > Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Really? Is that so? In which case
> > every post shuddha writes, rife
> > >> with
> > >> > >> inaccuracies and and ignorance,
> > should immediately get a response
> > >> from
> > >> > you
> > >> > >> setting the record straight.
> > Instead, what we witness is a deafening
> > >> > >> silence. Be careful and intelligent
> > about whom you choose as your
> > >> > >> adversaries Rashneek. And I think
> > you are well aware of whose posts
> > >> are
> > >> > >> generally ignored on this list and
> > it certainly isn't Shuddha.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> regards
> > >> > >> Aarti
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM,
> > rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> All that notwithstanding,
> > Shuddha's knowledge and understanding of
> > >> > either
> > >> > >>> history or politics is of
> > Kashmir is so poor or so full of
> > >> inaccuries
> > >> > >>> (intentional as well ignorant)
> > that it is time we start ignoring his
> > >> > posts
> > >> > >>> on Kashmir.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Regards
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Rashneek
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:24 PM,
> > Aditya Raj Kaul <
> > >> > kauladityaraj at gmail.com
> > >> > >>> >wrote:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> > And, In a recent lecture in
> > Jamia University, he was no different.
> > >> > >>> > Advocating pan-Islamist
> > movement in Kashmir.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > On 9/3/08, Lalit Ambardar
> > <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > > It is not
> > surprising.AG Noorani is a known sympathiser of the
> > >> > Kashmiri
> > >> > >>> > pan
> > >> > >>> > > Islamists & their
> > cause. He ran a campaign series in support of
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > > separatists in HT for
> > years .The very fact that Noorani has
> > >> chosen
> > >> > to
> > >> > >>> > call
> > >> > >>> > > Jammuites as
> > 'communal forces' & 'parivar' & the
> > accord itself
> > >> as
> > >> > >>> > > 'gunah-e-bey
> > lazzat' & describe those who attempt to seek
> > "azadi
> > >> > -bara
> > >> > >>> -e
> > >> > >>> > > -Islam" as
> > 'victims' says it all.
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > > Noorani once went
> > overboard in " don't be fence-sitters " (HT
> > >> New
> > >> > >>> > Delhi/May
> > >> > >>> > > 8, 2007) in his
> > appreciation of Sayad Sallahudin of HM & the
> > >> > >>> al-Qeada
> > >> > >>> > > affiliate LeT. In a
> > bizarre coincidence , the day LeT chief
> > >> > allegedly
> > >> > >>> > > assured some Gen.
> > Patankar of his willingness to come to India
> > >> for
> > >> > >>> talks
> > >> > >>> > > (...????....) as
> > claimed by Noorani in the article , that very
> > >> day
> > >> > >>> Hafeez
> > >> > >>> > > Sayad confessed to the
> > reporters in Islamabad about the
> > >> existence
> > >> > of
> > >> > >>> > > terrorist
> > infrastructure in Pakistan & declared his resolve to
> > >> > carry
> > >> > >>> on
> > >> > >>> > the
> > >> > >>> > > 'jihad' to its
> > logical conclusion (Ref. TNN/ Times of India,
> > >> > DEL/May8'
> > >> > >>> > 07/
> > >> > >>> > > page no.13).
> > >> > >>> > > LA
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > > > Date: Wed, 3 Sep
> > 2008 03:55:11 -0700> From:
> > >> > kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > To:
> > >> > >>> > > shuddha at sarai.net>
> > CC: reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re:
> > >> > >>> [Reader-list]
> > >> > >>> > > Noorani Reads the Fine
> > Print of the Amarnath Accord> > >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > > >
> > >> > >>> > > > > --- On Wed,
> > 9/3/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <
> > >> shuddha at sarai.net>
> > >> > >>> > wrote:>
> > >> > >>> > > > From:
> > Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>> Subject:
> > Re:
> > >> > >>> > > [Reader-list] Noorani
> > Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath
> > >> Accord>
> > >> > To:
> > >> > >>> > > "Shuddhabrata
> > Sengupta" <shuddha at sarai.net>> Cc: "Sarai
> > list" <
> > >> > >>> > >
> > reader-list at sarai.net>> Date: Wednesday, September 3,
> > 2008,
> > >> 4:07
> > >> > PM>
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > > Dear all,> > The
> > link to the Noorani article in the Greater
> > >> Kashmir
> > >> > >>> > > Newspaper in > my
> > earlier post got inadvertently truncated. Here
> > >> is
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> > > correct link.> >
> > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?
> > >> >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1> > Thanks, Tilak
> > Upadhyay for
> > >> > pointing
> > >> > >>> this
> > >> > >>> > > out.> >
> > best,> > Shuddha> > On 03-Sep-08, at 3:16 PM,
> > >> Shuddhabrata
> > >> > >>> > Sengupta
> > >> > >>> > > wrote: Dear all>
> > > > Dear All,> >> > An unusual intensity
> > of
> > >> hunger
> > >> > >>> for
> > >> > >>> > land
> > >> > >>> > > unites corporations,
> > state> > agencies and shrine boards in
> > >> India.
> > >> > >>> > Captains
> > >> > >>> > > of Industry,> >
> > politicians and land hungry divines seem to be
> > >> more
> > >> > >>> > > interested in> >
> > acrage than in anything else. The Mahabharata
> > >> > >>> mentions
> > >> > >>> > the
> > >> > >>> > > burning of> >
> > the Khandava forest to appease a hungry god,
> > >> > >>> inaugurating a
> > >> > >>> > > long> > history
> > of burnt and erased forests and commons. It
> > >> appears
> > >> > as
> > >> > >>> it
> > >> > >>> > > we> > are
> > surrounded now by 'hungry gods'. The Khandava-daha
> > >> > >>> continues.>
> > >> > >>> > >>
> > >> > >>> > > > Be it Chengara
> > (thanks, Anivar Aravind for keeping us updated
> > >> > about>
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > the
> > >> > >>> > > land struggle in
> > Kerala, where the ruling CPI(M) led Left Front>
> > >> >
> > >> > is
> > >> > >>> > intent
> > >> > >>> > > on displacing
> > indigenous communities from their land), or> >
> > >> Singur
> > >> > >>> > (where
> > >> > >>> > > again, the ruling
> > CPI(M) wants to gift land 'free'> to a> >
> > >> > gigantic
> > >> > >>> > > corporation or
> > Amarnath, - the issues - remain the same -> > to
> > >> do
> > >> > >>> with
> > >> > >>> > > state mediated
> > acquisition of land, and the sequestering> > of
> > >> > either
> > >> > >>> > > cultivator's land,
> > or a natural commons into some form of> >
> > >> > 'gated'
> > >> > >>> and
> > >> > >>> > > 'fenced'
> > land.> >> > There has been some premature media
> > spin
> > >> > around
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> > > 'accord'
> > that> has> > been reached with the Shree Amarnath
> > Yatra
> > >> > >>> > Sangharsh
> > >> > >>> > > Samiti based in>
> > > Jammu. On the face of it, the accord appears
> > >> to
> > >> > >>> grant
> > >> > >>> > a
> > >> > >>> > > limited usage> >
> > right to the Shree Amarnath Shrine Board. On
> > >> > closer
> > >> > >>> > reading
> > >> > >>> > > of the> > text
> > however, it becomes evident that the terms of
> > >> this
> > >> > >>> > 'accord'>
> > >> > >>> > > are> > actually
> > even more invasive than was the case with the
> > >> > >>> substance
> > >> > >>> > of>
> > >> > >>> > > > the original
> > gubernatorial 'land transfer' order in May.>
> > >> >
> > >> I
> > >> > am
> > >> > >>> > > enclosing below - an
> > article by A. G. Noorani, a well known> >
> > >> > legal
> > >> > >>> > > historian and
> > practitioner of constitutional law, titled> > 'An
> > >> > >>> Immoral
> > >> > >>> > and
> > >> > >>> > > Illegal Accord'
> > which was published in the Greater> > Kashmir
> > >> > >>> newspaper
> > >> > >>> > > today. It is available
> > on line at -> >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?> >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1> >> >
> > Noorani carefully reads the
> > >> > terms
> > >> > >>> of
> > >> > >>> > the
> > >> > >>> > > Amarnath Accord in
> > this> > article. As I had pointed out before
> > >> on
> > >> > >>> this
> > >> > >>> > list
> > >> > >>> > > (in my second post>
> > > (dated 15th August, 2008) in the thread -
> > >> > 'Gun
> > >> > >>> > Salutes
> > >> > >>> > > for August> >
> > 15' in response to Sonia Jabbar and Aditya Raj
> > >> Kaul -
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> > > anger in> >
> > Kashmir has a lot to do with the arbitrary
> > >> acquisition
> > >> > of
> > >> > >>> > land -
> > >> > >>> > > I> > had shown,
> > using state government figures, how the
> > >> equivalent
> > >> > of
> > >> > >>> > one> >
> > >> > >>> > > in ten fruit orchards
> > can be said to be under the occupation of
> > >> > the> >
> > >> > >>> > Armed
> > >> > >>> > > Forces. The
> > 'Amarnath Land Transfer' issue needs to be seen>
> > in>
> > >> >
> > >> > >>> this
> > >> > >>> > > context.> >>
> > > As long as that anger (regarding the alienation
> > >> of
> > >> > >>> land)
> > >> > >>> > is
> > >> > >>> > > not> >
> > addressed, the people of Kashmir will have no reason, in
> > >> my>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>> > > estimation, to think
> > of themselves as anything but under a
> > >> brutal
> > >> > and>
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > > unrelenting
> > occupation. The current 'Amarnath Accord' in my
> > >> view,>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>> > worsens
> > >> > >>> > > the situation, and can
> > alienate the people of Kashmir (for> >
> > >> the
> > >> > >>> reasons
> > >> > >>> > > that Noorani
> > underlines below) even more. As such, it can> >
> > >> only
> > >> > be
> > >> > >>> > viewed
> > >> > >>> > > as yet another
> > provocation, yet another disaster, in> > the long
> > >> > and
> > >> > >>> > > undistinguished record
> > of the Government of India's> > tragic
> > >> > >>> blundering
> > >> > >>> > on
> > >> > >>> > > Kashmir. It cannot but
> > prove to be divisive in a> > situation
> > >> that
> > >> > >>> > urgently
> > >> > >>> > > requires the
> > opposite.> >> > regards> >> >
> > Shuddha> >> >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> >
> > ======================================================================
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > > ==> >
> > =======================> >> > An Immoral and
> > Illegal
> > >> Accord>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>> > Greater
> > >> > >>> > > Kashmir, September 03,
> > 2008> > A G NOORANI> >> > Srinagar, Sep
> > >> 2:
> > >> > The
> > >> > >>> > accord
> > >> > >>> > > between the Jammu and
> > Kashmir government> > and the Shri
> > >> Amarnath
> > >> > >>> Yatra
> > >> > >>> > > Sangharsh Samiti on 31
> > August is far> > worse than the
> > >> government's
> > >> > >>> order
> > >> > >>> > > only three months
> > earlier on 26> > May. It grants the SAYSS
> > >> > >>> concessions
> > >> > >>> > > beyond what the May
> > order did.> > It is one-sided and marks an
> > >> > abject
> > >> > >>> > > surrender to violence,
> > blockade> > and to communal forces. The
> > >> > >>> > differences
> > >> > >>> > > between the order and
> > accord> > are glaring. Here is a list:> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > 1.
> > >> > >>> The
> > >> > >>> > > order was made
> > pursuant to a decision on 20 May by the cabinet>
> > >> >
> > >> > in
> > >> > >>> > which
> > >> > >>> > > both Jammu and Kashmir
> > were represented. The accord> >
> > >> completely
> > >> > >>> ignores
> > >> > >>> > > Kashmir where the land
> > is to be given. Jammu alone> > was
> > >> > represented.
> > >> > >>> A
> > >> > >>> > > week earlier, there
> > was a clampdown in the Valley> > and top
> > >> > leaders
> > >> > >>> were
> > >> > >>> > > arrested.> >>
> > > 2. Even the controversial order nowhere used the
> > >> > word
> > >> > >>> > >
> > "exclusive".> > The SAYSS felt so emboldened
> > as to demand it and
> > >> > >>> threaten
> > >> > >>> > to
> > >> > >>> > > wreck> > the
> > deal if it was not conceded. The government yielded
> > >> in
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> > > early> > hours
> > of 31 August. Para 6A says that the Government
> > >> > "shall
> > >> > >>> set
> > >> > >>> > > aside> > for use
> > by Shri Amarnathji Shrine Board exclusively the
> > >> > land
> > >> > >>> in>
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> > >>> > > Baltal and
> > Domail". This order unknown anywhere in the world
> > is>
> > >> >
> > >> > >>> > cloaked
> > >> > >>> > > under a lie by calling
> > it "traditionally under use for the> >
> > >> > annual
> > >> > >>> > yatra
> > >> > >>> > > purpose". The
> > traditional route for over a century is> > the
> > >> > Pahalgam
> > >> > >>> > route.
> > >> > >>> > > The Baltal route is a
> > recent demand. It was> > regarded by the
> > >> Army
> > >> > >>> and
> > >> > >>> > > Nitish Sengupta Report
> > as dangerous. It is> > also unnecessary
> > >> if
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > limit
> > >> > >>> > > of yatris set by the
> > Report (1 lakh) is> > observed.> >> > 3.
> > >> This
> > >> > >>> > violates
> > >> > >>> > > the citizen's
> > fundamental right under Art. 19 (1) D> > to move
> > >> > freely
> > >> > >>> > > throughout India. The
> > demand of exclusivity was not> > made even
> > >> in
> > >> > >>> May
> > >> > >>> > 2008
> > >> > >>> > > or in decades earlier.
> > It is pure communal> > aggression using
> > >> the
> > >> > >>> yatra
> > >> > >>> > for
> > >> > >>> > > political
> > demonstration not religious> > piety.> >>
> > > 4. The
> > >> > duration
> > >> > >>> of
> > >> > >>> > use
> > >> > >>> > > is widened to cover
> > pre and post yatra period.> > Para 6 C first
> > >> > says
> > >> > >>> > that
> > >> > >>> > > the land will be used
> > "for the duration of> > the yatra"
> > >> including
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > > period of preparations
> > and winding up. But> > the very next para
> > >> > has
> > >> > >>> > these
> > >> > >>> > > sinister words:
> > "The aforesaid land> > shall be used according
> > >> to
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > > Board's
> > requirements from time to> > time, including for the
> > >> > >>> following".
> > >> > >>> > > There follow 9
> > measures including> > construction, setting up of
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > sheds
> > >> > >>> > > and shops etc. These
> > can be> > done even beyond the yatra period
> > >> > "from
> > >> > >>> > time
> > >> > >>> > > to time" and
> > "according> > to the Board's
> > requirements"; may be
> > >> all
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> > year
> > >> > >>> > > around.> >>
> > > 5. Para 8 of the order insisted that the land
> > >> "shall
> > >> > >>> > return"
> > >> > >>> > > to the> > State.
> > This is dropped in the accord. This
> > >> accomplishes
> > >> > S.K.
> > >> > >>> > > Sinha's> >
> > objective— permanent use the year round.> >> >
> > 6.
> > >> Also
> > >> > >>> dropped
> > >> > >>> > > totally is Para 4 on
> > payment for user.> >> > 7. Dropped too is
> > >> Para
> > >> > 6.
> > >> > >>> An
> > >> > >>> > > undertaking of
> > "foolproof measures> > against water pollution
> > >> and
> > >> > Para
> > >> > >>> 7
> > >> > >>> > on
> > >> > >>> > > payment of fine for
> > damage to> > the forest. There is a pious
> > >> > >>> provision
> > >> > >>> > in
> > >> > >>> > > accord Para 6 C (ix)
> > among> > the objectives of land user;
> > >> namely
> > >> > >>> > > "undertaking
> > measures relating to> > … preservation of
> > ecology"
> > >> > etc.
> > >> > >>> > Breach
> > >> > >>> > > entails no fine.>
> > >> > 8. The order of 26 May was rescinded on 1
> > >> > July.
> > >> > >>> > The
> > >> > >>> > > accord will> >
> > require a fresh order to implement it. By itself
> > >> the
> > >> > >>> > accord
> > >> > >>> > > has no> > legal
> > force. Section 2(a) of the J&K Forest
> > >> > (Conservation)
> > >> > >>> Act
> > >> > >>> > > 1997> > says
> > "the Government shall not, except on a resolution
> > >> of
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > > Council> > of
> > Ministers based on the advice of the Advisory
> > >> > >>> Committee"> >
> > >> > >>> > > constituted under the
> > Act "make any order directing that any
> > >> > forest> >
> > >> > >>> > land
> > >> > >>> > > or any portion thereof
> > may be used for any non-forest purpose".>
> > >> >
> > >> > The
> > >> > >>> > > earlier phrase
> > "Council of ministers" merely was revised by
> > an>
> > >> >
> > >> > >>> > amendment
> > >> > >>> > > in 2001 and the Forest
> > Advisory Committee's advice was> > added
> > >> and
> > >> > >>> made
> > >> > >>> > > mandatory.
> > "Council of Ministers" is specific. It is> >
> > >> different
> > >> > from
> > >> > >>> > "J&K
> > >> > >>> > > Government" whose
> > powers vest now in the> governor> > alone. The
> > >> > law
> > >> > >>> > > intentionally provides
> > the resolution as a safeguard.> > This
> > >> > Council
> > >> > >>> can
> > >> > >>> > > come into existence
> > only after the next elections.> > In any
> > >> case
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > Forest
> > >> > >>> > > Advisory Committees
> > advice on 12 July 2007> > cannot apply to
> > >> this
> > >> > new
> > >> > >>> > > accord which must be
> > vetted afresh by that> > Committee. It was
> > >> > given
> > >> > >>> > before
> > >> > >>> > > the Supreme
> > Court's final judgment in> > the T M Godavarman
> > case
> > >> on
> > >> > 23
> > >> > >>> > > November 2007 which
> > lays down the law> > and makes important
> > >> > >>> observations
> > >> > >>> > on
> > >> > >>> > > balancing development
> > with> > protection of environment. Failure
> > >> to
> > >> > >>> > consider
> > >> > >>> > > it vitiates the>
> > > decision. Precisely based on
> > >> misrepresentation
> > >> > of
> > >> > >>> > opinion
> > >> > >>> > > of the> > deputy
> > CM Muzaffar Hussain Beg and advocate general
> > >> Altaf
> > >> > >>> Naik
> > >> > >>> > > both> > of which
> > were given in entirely difference cases.> >> >
> > >> The
> > >> > >>> > accord
> > >> > >>> > > lacks legal efficacy
> > as well as moral and political> >
> > >> legitimacy.
> > >> > Any
> > >> > >>> > order
> > >> > >>> > > in its implementation
> > will be void in law. It> > is a pity that
> > >> the
> > >> > >>> state
> > >> > >>> > > should bend all rules
> > to buy peace with> > communal forces
> > >> > including
> > >> > >>> > promise
> > >> > >>> > > to consider
> > compensation for law-> > breakers. What of
> > >> compensation
> > >> > to
> > >> > >>> > the
> > >> > >>> > > Valley for the
> > blockade? The> > parivar in Jammu has already
> > >> begun
> > >> > >>> asking
> > >> > >>> > > for more. The
> > Government> > has not bought peace but trouble. It
> > >> is
> > >> > >>> > > gunah-e-bey lazzat
> > (sin> > without any taste.)> >> > If the
> > >> state
> > >> > can
> > >> > >>> > thus
> > >> > >>> > > bend its knees before
> > the Sangh parivar on an> > issue like
> > >> this,
> > >> > what
> > >> > >>> > hopes
> > >> > >>> > > of justice can
> > Kashmiris entertain when> > it comes to restoring
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> > raped
> > >> > >>> > > Article 370 to a
> > status of worth and> > respect?> >> >
> > END> >> >
> > >> > >>> > >
> > >> >
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