[Reader-list] Fwd: Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting and threatening India

[anupam chakravartty]

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From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Date: Feb 14, 2009 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting
and  threatening India
To: Aman Shanti <peaceshantiaman at gmail.com>

Dear Aman,

the idea is not to complicate the matters. it is to find out what these
words could mean. i would love to see a properly worded appeal in which most
extreme organisation is bound to participate and change things. i would
again like to point out that it is in the very spirit in which this appeal
is written is problemmatic. i will tell you why:


1. if you remember Bastar in 1970s and manipur and assam in 80s and 90s, for
one extremist hiding in a village of certain taluka, several innocent
villagers would be picked up by the authorities. there are hundreds of
cases. in this case too, you asking the indian muslims to take part in
finding the home grown terrorists almost reads that all this while indian
muslims were the ones harbouring these criminals and now after reading your
appeal they would inform the authorities about it.

2. " 'investigation of cases of the so-called home-bred Indian terrorists'
where the appeal was made to involve sincere and peace-loving Indian Muslims
to involve in the search of these home-bred 'terrorists'." well, for your
kind of information, lakhs of muslim officers are serving various units of
police, army, navy, air force and other security agencies. so are you trying
to say that they have not been sincerely working.

3. if muslims were spared on 26/11, it doesnt mean they will have an
influence over al-qaeda. this sectarian approach to resolve the crisis of
our times will get all of us into big trouble. the remainder of trust that
we all share would be converted into suspicion.


i have a suggestion: why should not we all ... everyone ( i will stop at
this) write an appeal which says bring the boys back home. the innocent ones
who have been indoctrinated to fight against the established order. those
who have taken the refuge of the gun. those who do not mind brandishing a
trishul up one's chest. have u ever wondered what causes dissidence among
this one section of the population -- youth? getting labelled by someone
else at the moment when you don expect it. i would not like to comment
further on this issue. i am not into facebook or other such things.
 the heading of this e-mail still says: *Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda:
Stop hurting and threatening India* ...need i say more?

best-
anupam

On 2/14/09, Aman Shanti <peaceshantiaman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Anupam
> You seem to be not only complicating matters, you have also mis-read
> the original appeal. It DID NOT say that "we dont want pakistani
> agencies to probe into samjhauta blasts saying we (indians which
> includes me and you) are quite capable of solving it".
> In fact our appeal did not refer to Samjhauta blast at all. It clearly
> said that "we don't want the our Islamic brothers from outside India
> to come and safeguard Indian Muslims or take revenge for their
> plight". That is what we are against. There was no mention of
> investigation in that part of the appeal. The investigation comes in
> the second part of the message and is only meant for "investigation of
> cases of the so-called home-bred Indian terrorists" where the appeal
> was made to involve sincere and peace-loving Indian Muslims to involve
> in the search of these home-bred "terrorists". We think that our
> appeal is beginning to address many subtleties and complexities of
> regional terrorism - it is not a knee-jerk reaction or a frustration
> of Indian Muslims, nor is it in response to a "Hindu majoritarian"
> pressure on Muslims to make such appeals. We would request you to have
> a look at our appeal at facebook or blog and then suggest what your
> specific problems are.
>
> Aman
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM, anupam chakravartty
> <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > dear kshmendra,
> >
> > your very line that indian muslims should ask al-qaeda to stop terror
> > attacks is problemmatic. hindu groups were responsible for the samjhauta
> > express attacks as stated by police officials. are hindus ready to
> > apologise and appeal to bajrang dal to stop the distribution of
> > trishuls that has been happening in Orissa through Gujarat for killing
> > muslims, christians and running various rackets, urge that they should
> stop
> > doing this?
> >
> > the aman-shanti mail clearly stated that they dont want pakistani
> agencies
> > to probe into samjhauta blasts saying we (indians which includes me and
> > you) are quite capable of solving it ourselves. where as we (indians
> > including me and you) dont mind FBI and Mossad coming here and solving
> > 26/11, then also pointing severe discrepancies in our intelligence and
> > policing.
> >
> > again, apologies for the delay and being unclear about my statements.
> >
> > regards
> > anupam
> >
> > On 2/12/09, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Dear Anupam
> >>
> >> Would you please clarify who exactly is the "YOU" and the "YOUR" in your
> >> words :
> >>
> >> "Yes, but you prefer mossad and FBI coming over as your security
> agencies
> >> are
> >> not adequately equipped to investigate any case."
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Kshmendra
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  ------------------------------
> >> *From:* anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> *To:* sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:06:23 AM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop
> hurting
> >> and threatening India
> >>
> >> dear aman, shanti, peace and other such things,
> >>
> >> i would have supported this appeal had it not used these words:
> >>
> >> "Indian Muslims (and everyone else) must appeal to Al-Qaeda and its
> >> allies to stop their activities of terror and violence in the world."
> >>
> >> why do indian muslims always have to give a certificate that they are
> >> clean?
> >> why? what is the difference between al-qaeda and you? both of you
> judging
> >> the plight of the identities ignoring the fact that conflicts are
> directed
> >> against weaker sections.
> >>
> >> and then you go on to say:
> >>
> >> The claim that "Indian Muslims are persecuted by Hindus, thus
> >> world's Muslims need to save them". No, Thank you. We don't need the
> >> outside saviors.
> >>
> >> Yes, but you prefer mossad and FBI coming over as your security agencies
> >> are
> >> not adequately equipped to investigate any case. Dont you?
> >>
> >> with best wishes,
> >>
> >> anupam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/11/09, Aman Shanti <peaceshantiaman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear friends
> >> > Please see this news item, and also our appeal below. Kindly support
> >> > our appeal by sending the message across to many friends so that a
> >> > better sense prevails in this world:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Al_Qaeda_threatens_to_attack_India_for_the_first_time/articleshow/4109243.cms
> >> > ------
> >> >
> >> > Indian Muslims (and everyone else) must appeal to Al-Qaeda and its
> >> > allies to stop their activities of terror and violence in the world.
> >> > Islam does not approve the killing of innocent people. Peace-loving
> >> > Muslims must join hands to convince these extremist elements to desist
> >> > from their path of terror. Here is an appeal (which is also available
> >> > on facebook) that needs your support:
> >> >
> >> > Indian Muslims Against Terrorism
> >> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124494910211
> >> >
> >> > Why only Indian Muslims – everyone should be against terrorism. Yes,
> >> > true - but this group has a certain mandate that related mostly to
> >> > Indian Muslims (although all others are welcome to join and
> >> > participate in this forum). We wish to focus on a few specific points
> >> > that are important to address the issue of regional terrorism. There
> >> > are two basic claims (made by some), which we want to address here:
> >> >
> >> > 1. The claim that "Indian Muslims are persecuted by Hindus, thus
> >> > world's Muslims need to save them". No, Thank you. We don't need the
> >> > outside saviors.
> >> >
> >> > 2. The claim that "now there are home-bred Muslim terrorists in India
> >> > that need to be nabbed." Ok, if this is true, then please involve
> >> > sincere and peace-loving Indian Muslims in the search for such
> >> > extremist elements in India's Muslim localities, instead of randomly
> >> > arresting and killing them in encounters.
> >> >
> >> > The above two points are detailed here:
> >> >
> >> > (1) There is an assumption or discourse coming out of some Muslim
> >> > countries (such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and others)
> >> > that "Muslims in India are being victimized and tortured by the Hindus
> >> > (for example in Gujarat, Kashmir, Ayodhya etc.), and since they are in
> >> > great danger and helpless in the hands of Hindu extremists, it is the
> >> > duty of Muslims all over the world to go and save them, and revenge
> >> > their killings and persecution, by terrorizing the Hindus and damaging
> >> > the economic might of India." It has been reported that such discourse
> >> > is part of the training given to the terrorists who allegedly carry
> >> > out attacks in India. While we don't know for sure if the "terrorists"
> >> > are given such propaganda, but we assume that many Muslims outside
> >> > India may certainly have such an impression about India, as one can
> >> > see in some of the media in the Muslim world.
> >> >
> >> > We agree that Muslims in India have been subjected to a lot of
> >> > violence, torture, prejudice and injustice at various times, probably
> >> > in the same way as other minorities like dalits (low-caste Hindus),
> >> > tribals, and women etc. have been treated. But we wish to convey to
> >> > the "Islamic world" that WE DO NOT NEED THE HELP OF SAVIOURS FROM
> >> > OUTSIDE India to fight our struggles. (By struggle, we don't mean
> >> > violent revenge for the injustice, but a simple struggle for survival,
> >> > and recourse to the law, which luckily is not hopeless in India).
> >> > Muslims have been living in India for last one millennium, sometimes
> >> > peacefully and sometimes in conflict, but most of the times trying to
> >> > carve out ways to co-exist with fellow Indians, and make India a
> >> > progressive country. The contribution of Muslims to the progress of
> >> > India need not be repeated here. The bottom-line is: They cannot go
> >> > anywhere else – India is their home, and they have to struggle here
> >> > like everyone else. So, please don't meddle into our affairs.
> >> >
> >> > This plea is especially for those powerful institutions/organizations
> >> > in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan who deliberately support
> >> > terrorism and violence against India and Hindus. You don't realize
> >> > that every time there is a terrorist attack in India, although a lot
> >> > of non-Muslims get killed or affected, but the ultimate loss is that
> >> > of Indian Muslims. They are the ones who are seen more and more as
> >> > culprits and a subject of hate and prejudice. It is our children (with
> >> > Muslim names) who are taunted in Indian schools as "Pakistanis", and
> >> > it is we who cannot rent a house in a mainstream colony because of our
> >> > Muslim tag, all because of you. So, our Islamic brothers, YOU ARE NOT
> >> > HELPING US come out of our suffering at all. You are actually pushing
> >> > us further into a furnace by carrying out the terrorist attacks on
> >> > "Hindus". We request and plead you to have mercy on this beautiful
> >> > country and the world, and stop your senseless jihad. If you are told
> >> > that you will to go to heaven (and get houris) when you die for the
> >> > cause of Islam, you are highly mistaken and misled. You will surely
> >> > burn in hell for harming innocent people. This world is not only for
> >> > Muslims – it is for everyone; whatever religion or culture they may
> >> > follow. So, live and let live.
> >> >
> >> > (2) The above message was meant for the "terrorists" infiltrating from
> >> > outside India and their supporters/sympathizers. And now for the
> >> > "home-grown" breed of terrorists. After the horrific 9/11 attacks, it
> >> > was reported by many that among the Muslim terrorists operating all
> >> > over the world, there are actually no Indian Muslims involved.
> >> > (Although Indian media and intelligence department had been claiming
> >> > since many years that Muslim madrasas are the breeding grounds of
> >> > terrorism, but not a single Indian madrasa has so far been found to be
> >> > involved in such activity). Every one was happy and proud about the
> >> > news of India Muslims' non-involvement in terrorism. But suddenly,
> >> > after the 2002 Gujarat pogrom, it was reported that Muslims residing
> >> > in India are becoming terrorists too, and many of them highly
> >> > educated-ones (engineers, doctors, IT professionals, etc.). They use
> >> > new technology of Internet, cell-phones and deadly explosive material
> >> > supplied by their counterparts from across the border.
> >> >
> >> > Subsequently, hundreds of young boys from Muslim localities have been
> >> > arrested and tortured by the Indian police, some even killed in
> >> > encounters. But most of them so far have only been accused and almost
> >> > none ultimately convicted or punished for an act of terrorism, due to
> >> > a lack of substantial evidence against them. Most Muslims and some
> >> > human rights activists argue that those arrested or killed Muslim boys
> >> > have nothing to do with terrorist activities and have been framed
> >> > wrongly. After seeing the adverse role of the police in recent
> >> > incidents such as an encounter at Batla House (Delhi) in September
> >> > 2008 where 2 such accused (and a police inspector) were killed, the
> >> > Muslim community has lost all faith in the police and intelligence
> >> > agencies, fearing that due to their prejudice they could arrest and
> >> > kill any Muslim at will in their war against terror. Their
> >> > investigations are not transparent, their proofs are not convincing,
> >> > and their encounters with terrorists look stage-managed.
> >> >
> >> > However, such a reaction from Muslims is also considered by some as a
> >> > "denial mode", and it is suggested (especially by the mainstream
> >> > media) that Muslims need to come out of this mode and accept the
> >> > reality that home-bred terrorists do exist in the community,
> >> > especially since those who carried out the recent blasts (in 2008) did
> >> > claim that they are "home-bred" terrorists. If the internal Muslims
> >> > are truly involved in such activities, and if we are serious about
> >> > nabbing and punishing them, it would be good for the peace-loving
> >> > Muslims themselves to come forward and make a strategy to help
> >> > eradicate this menace, rather than to leave it only to the
> >> > state-forces. Here is some advices worth considering:
> >> >
> >> > It is accepted by the media and the police that all Muslims are not
> >> > terrorists, but some Muslims do resort to extremism and violence, and
> >> > that the peace-loving intelligentsia among the Muslim community should
> >> > take responsibility to root out the bad elements. This is often
> >> > repeated on every news channel and newspaper after every attack:
> >> > Secular and elite Muslims need to sift out the extremist elements in
> >> > their community. Well, no right thinking Muslim can deny this
> >> > responsibility and there are many who are eagerly ready to play that
> >> > role. But terrorism or extremist elements of the society cannot be
> >> > eradicated by only their efforts, if the govt. and the police
> >> > themselves have been unable to do so. They need the same logistical
> >> > support and resources to bring out any change in the community, which
> >> > the authorities use. In fact, a more practical idea today would be an
> >> > active coordination between the intelligence agencies, the police, the
> >> > judiciary and the responsible people in the Muslim community. But for
> >> > that to happen, the first and foremost requirement is for the
> >> > officials to TRUST THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY. It is a widely known fact
> >> > that the number and ratio of Muslims in Indian security forces,
> >> > police, intelligence, ministries and other important institutions is
> >> > very abysmal – at least not proportionate to their population.
> >> > Moreover, in the war against the terror, the authorities never talk to
> >> > the responsible people from the community leave aside involving them
> >> > actively.
> >> >
> >> > A specific recent case that can serve as an example:
> >> >
> >> > Take the case of the recent police-terrorist encounter at Jamia Nagar,
> >> > Delhi. The Delhi Police (and its Special Cell) not only did not inform
> >> > any of the local citizens of the area before or during the operation
> >> > (while they gave prior information to the media), but also made no
> >> > effort to communicate to the frightened local residents afterwards
> >> > (even during their further arrests of youngsters from the locality),
> >> > while the theories of the encounter being fake were spreading in the
> >> > locality. Their encounter of 19th September 2008 was like a very
> >> > specialized surgical operation done on the body without giving it
> >> > anesthesia or stitching it back, or allowing it to heal. This simply
> >> > shows that they either look at the entire community with prejudice and
> >> > suspicion (of harbouring the terror within), or they are not genuinely
> >> > interested in uprooting the nuisance of terror, and only want to
> >> > continue showing to the world that Muslim terrorists exist. They
> >> > further infuriated many Muslims the next day by showcasing the three
> >> > arrested suspects to the media by covering their faces/heads in the
> >> > stereotypical pink Arab scarves, which is a clichéd symbol of orthodox
> >> > Muslims or Palestinian extremists.
> >> >
> >> > If the authorities start trusting the community and seriously involve
> >> > them in uprooting the internal terrorism, it may show better results
> >> > than secret raids and encounters. Some residents of Batla House
> >> > gathered outside the encounter site the next day said "even if there
> >> > were terrorists holed up in the flat, with weapons, there was a way to
> >> > peacefully flush them out. After all they were not holding any
> >> > hostages. The police knew their location in advance. It could have
> >> > taken some neighbours into confidence, emptied the entire
> >> > neighbourhood, blocked all exit paths from the flat, and then waited
> >> > (even if for days) until the boys got fed up or famished, and
> >> > surrendered. There were lots of possibilities, if there was a will."
> >> > What is required today is a confidence building between the police and
> >> > the people, and some kind citizen's initiatives or neighbourhood-watch
> >> > schemes, (which already exist in some of the posh areas of Indian
> >> > towns).
> >> >
> >> > The smaller towns (such as Azamgarh) or ghettoized localities (such as
> >> > Batla House) in the cities, where such initiatives are required more,
> >> > are unfortunately left to rot by our civic authorities. They could be
> >> > the breeding grounds of a lot of anti-social elements, but the
> >> > authorities are equally responsible for their sorry state. Thus, a
> >> > long-term solution to the mushrooming of internal terror is possible
> >> > only with a multi-pronged approach, the first requirement of which is
> >> > to eradicate the corruption and communal bias in the police
> >> > department, and make them people-friendly. They need to involve senior
> >> > and serious citizens of a locality to nab the likely culprits of
> >> > terror in their area. But this effort should not mean vigilance and
> >> > security measures so strict that they affect the privacy and trust
> >> > between people in a locality.
> >> > ====
> >> >
> >> > Please join our facebook group to participate in this campaign:
> >> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124494910211
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