[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims

Wed May 6 12:11:41 IST 2009

Dear Anupam,

You are conflicting your own sentence...   You said, national anthem is sung when you feel for your country...
The direct meaning of this sentence is 'One will not sing the National Anthem if he do not feel for the Country'

There is no question of force.... I never said that any anti-national should be forced to sing the Anthem... not all.. 

If Saffron is my color... let me understand what is your color....   Why was the Flag of India not completely white... If Saffron color is wrong, why it is there in the Flag at all... I wonder if you have ever told to the Terrorist that they have Greenized websites... I am sure you have never told so...  

Because you do not have answers to the Saffrons, whose area of operation are within their own country... and they have come up as powers to respond to them who are harming Humanity in India (eg Conversion program of Christian by buying through money and for humanitarian reason, infiltration of Crores of Bangladeshis, etc.).. Unfortunately, Saffrons has to do this because people like you supports them (as Congress, CPIM dos)...  And fighting for the protection is Crime and rhetoric for you... doesn't matter....

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From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:54:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims

dear chanchal

national anthem is sung when you feel for your country. not out of force.
please spare the national anthem at least from your rhetoric that sounds
like ones that you get to read in the saffronised websites.

at least be geniune in your critique. mugging up points from a propaganda
site would not really help.

regards

anupam

On 5/6/09, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Indian Muslims are those whose forefathers betrayed with their own base
> foundation Hinduism - either out of fear or lust.
> Indian Muslims are those who historically didn't play a major role in
> Indian Independence, and rather took lead in Khilafat with Gandhi (the
> apostole of peace) to massacre over 10,000 Hindus in the name of God...
> Indian Muslims are those who established a thick line in 1947 that they
> cannot live with Hindus who unfortunately happens to be their own ancestral
> brothers...
> India Muslims now have loosed their credibility of being a part of
> Nationalist attitude by publicly denying to accept National Anthem, National
> Song and denying Bharat as maata... when these things should have nothing to
> take with Hindus... but now slogans like 'Bharat maata ki Jai', 'Jana gana
> mana', 'vande maatram'... are all part of only Hindu culture...
> Indian Muslims are now a partners of Terrorism, and by and large declared
> Terrorism... most of their leaders shout publicly that every Muslim should
> be a terrorist with some logical background that terrorism should be for
> non-believers often purified through management language...
> Indian Muslims or any Muslim in this world (barring exceptions - 1 to 2 %
> of the population), has to re-establish their credibility that they are
> humans and worshipers of humanity first before unknown, unseen God who
> according to them hates, prepares fire of hell, prepared heaven with houris
> and virgins, asks people to murder...
>
> WHO WILL SOLVE THIS IGNORANCE OF HATRED IN THE NAME OF GOD - ONLY HINDUS...
> That is the reason Muslims have existed from over thousand years in India,
> and Hindus and others have been eliminated from Islamic lands...
> Historically proven, demography of today proves this...
>
> One should not enforce their own intolerance upon Hindus in the name of
> Babri and Gujarat Riots... They must go back into 1000 years of History
> which created Babri.. Kashmir.. and Godhra...  One must talk of CAUSE and
> not EFFECT alone... The Effect on Hindus are much deeper than anything else
> in this world...
>
> The well integrated four Varnas - popularly known as Aryas - were divided
> and remains divided because of Invasion and Western Politics still ruling
> this nation...
> The ever free women of India were put under 'Ghunghat' for ever to hide
> their face from the Islamic looters... Brahmins had to impose child marriage
> among Hindus because their girls were picked away at an early age in the
> name of 'Virgin' given by God to Islamic rapers... British took advantage of
> this and teached the whole population that these are the raw culture of
> Hinduism...
>
> Unfortunate, the same Best Scientists, Philosophers, Pschologists and all
> failed to defeat Swami Vivekananda who put Hinduism on top of everything on
> their land... Read him, read Hinduism from its scripture (and not from the
> mouth of Dr. Zakir Naik)... and you will know that WORLD LIVES BECAUSE
> HINDUISM IS ALIVE EVEN IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY...
>
> A person respecting his parents is Hinduism, A person loyarl to his
> Religous Guru is Hinduism, A person dedicated to his job is Hinduism, A
> person marrying and leading a stable family is Hinduism... A person getting
> spiritual in line with God is Hinduism...
> You may change the books, induce impurity in the name of God in those
> books... but the truth will ever remain... The world exists because of
> Hinduism and the world will exist only as long as Hinduism is alive -
> directly or indirectly....
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:38:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>
> Dear Kshmendra
>
> Who is an Indian Muslim?
>
> We need to answer this before we can answer your "...should they be
> thinking about using the Islamic flag..."
>
> Javed
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > QUOTE:
> >
> > It also carried drawings of two white and black flags, the former being
> the main flag of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) and the latter
> his military standard. Even now, black-turbaned TNSM members carry the small
> white and black flags as they walk ahead of Sufi Mohammad. ...... UNQUOTE
> >
> > This quote is from an article on Maulana Sufi Mohammad written by
> Rahimullah Yusufzai.
> > http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=175825
> >
> > No green flag. No crescent and star on it.
> >
> > The green flag with the crescent and star on it which is used by Indian
> Muslims has often caused misunderstandings.
> >
> > One recent example has been Simi Garewal talking about Pakistani Flags
> being flown by Indian Muslims. She apologised later for having mistaken the
> Islamic Flag of the Indian Muslims for the Pakistani Flag.
> >
> > The close resemblance between the 2 flags confused even Anupam
> Chakravartty, who inspite of video coverage from Times Now showing it to be
> a Pakistani Flag, insisted that what was flown in Assam with " sickle (sic)
> and star on green background  is an islamic symbol"
> > http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2009-April/018755.html
> >
> > In an earlier mail I had commented:
> >
> > """""" If this is factual, then the question arises for the Indian
> Muslims that should they be thinking about using the Islamic Flag without
> the Crescent and Star so that it does not appear to be close to being the
> flag of Pakistan? """"""
> > http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2008-December/017016.html
> >
> > Just thinking aloud
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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