[Reader-list] Fw: plight of the muslim women and appeasement

Thu May 21 11:56:13 IST 2009

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Sent: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009 10:50:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] plight of the muslim women and appeasement

Sir,
     Recieving money is till now perhaps one of the most endearing expiriences one might have or ok some people have. One envy others success or rare fortune is known as dog in the manger. Since I cannot provide life I can not and quite literally not, take it away. But every interview I read I read some statement of Burning in Hell, statement by educated middleclass muslim women, parents of film makers and other workers. Perhaps I know a very few muslim girls and women, and hence none has revealed such extremist ideas to me. Two questions disturb me:

1. Will ever 'money' correct discrimination? Except certain progressive people, girls from a high society are at worst. What about them. Is it okay to Burqua clad your child forcefully before sending her to school? The social taboo remaining, how many families will encash the money if it is not okay to send girls to school?
If not then root of discrimination is magnified under poverty and mirroring it government is using just another discrimination. I mean hindu-muslim divide. Classic, and the mirrored one remains through vague impressions about society and culture as a gulit borrowed by the mother. The spirit of commoditisation and prototyping the female population shall continue..It is okay, we might get yet another way to peep into the burqua what lies within or by paying 300 show that we fear them as they fear us.

2.. Isn't the fertiliser of corruption pre-mixed in the soil wherin these 'holy' seeds of sensitisation are borne?
Who are the people most likely to enroll in this scheme before literacy level shoots up? Are they supporters of congress idealogy?
What is the big deal. Girls being western educated can preach the same idealogy to her children, this gendering her is not discrimination, not on religious grounds, at least! A wonderful way to break arabic code, and to build a trustworthy minority elite.
At least muslim women-men divide would widen bringing them under control. Those who would encash it without paying a cent. Educated muslims. Instead why not attack more aggressively dowry, gender roles at home, organise adult education classes, health checkup, or sensitisation agressively, involving more women in social roles. The idea of a nation-machoist education coupled by a beurgeoise setup of mind is indeed captivating, then we can have more jobless graduates or well more jobs at your own terms, less religion strays away from it.. Moreover there would be more competition among muslims who are becoming too hot to handle, once given this VIP treatment.

Ok I am an Indian and a tax payer. Whatever happens to it's markets or exchequer affects me as well. I am a Hindu and am a bit uncomfortable if one calls jain, Church, gurdwara and mosque goers Hindu for having once bathed in the Ganges. But as far as the society is concerned I cant let any person die, Sati, Tarannum or Rizwaanur. Jokes apart I do not see how educated people make such guesses except consolidate vote banks for differential treatment. A simple question for those who are working to improve plight,' What is the rate of trafficking of muslim girls In India?' What ratios between hindu rape and musli rapes. Perhaps we would then stop making sadist comments. And pardon me, where is the difference between a muslim girl and a hindu girl? Ok not men! Getting an answer I would leave Rs 300 of mine, rather mind my own business. No not open a bank for Muslims, am I a dog that waters it's mouth every time it sees flesh? The government can not
 create jobs and I wouldn't reproduce at Rs 300 either. Why if possible not erradicate poverty all together? Cash Dump have their own logic and implications and for altruism, they are biggest failure, as what was with consumers yesterday shall lie in hands of producers tomorrow! I'd throw a booze party and live a happy man! Perhaps that would encourage some to give me all the pleasures I deserve!

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From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Monday, 18 May, 2009 11:19:11 AM
Subject: [Reader-list] plight of the muslim women and appeasement

Perhaps Mr malik is not aware of the fact that plight of the muslim women
among facing the gender discrimination is worst in india. it is true that
Maulana Azad Trust has been Rs 500 to disburse Rs 300 scholarship each to
the muslim girls.

i dont see a reason why as you have cited that extra Rs 300 given to a
muslim girl, while free books and copies are given equally to other kids is
a question of muslim appeasement. can you explain why have you used a word
like appeasement to describe an initiative that helps most discriminated
ones? how many hindu families are willing to say that dont give them Rs 300
-- wouldn't rather say give us Rs 300 as well?

anupam
On 5/18/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Malik jee
>
> If what you have stated is true (meaning that a Hindu poor can't get that
> additional amount but a Muslim rich can), then I must say it is wrong;
> whether it can be termed appeasement or not in my own definition I would
> have to figure out. I believe that appeasement is pleasing for the sake of
> pleasing. It could be appeasement if this amount is being provided but no
> proper education is being given in these schools (I presume these are govt.
> schools and not private schools. Please do correct me if I am wrong))
>
> However, I would be very happy if you can provide me with the following
> details:
>
> A) Is this scheme known by some name, which I can read and get information
> about in net? Can you provide me some links to this about which I can read
> more into?
>
> B) Are there any reasons based on which this has been justified?
>
> C) Are there specific areas in which this is being implemented? Or are
> there
> some special areas where it is being implemented?
>
> Ultimately, each scheme must be checked in its context to find out whether
> it indeed is a case of appeasement or it's a case of helping people. Hence,
> I need to get more information about this.
>
> What's more, since the amount is being given to Muslim girls, one can
> certainly understand that being a patriarchial society, with any
> deterioration in law and order or with any chance for men to portray their
> authority, women are the first victims and girls are therefore denied the
> chance to be educated on this logic. May be the govt thought that since the
> insecurity among Muslims is greater and therefore they may not send their
> girls at all to be educated, this idea was hit upon. So again, one has to
> look at the logic being given by the Delhi govt. for this.
>
> So one must look at the rationale of this. If it is meant for economic
> reasons, then it could be appeasement. If it is meant for security reasons,
> then it can't be appeasement; what can be done is to suggest alternatives
> so
> that all girls are given incentives to be taught. For example, if the NREGA
> and the RTI can be brought, why not introduce the Ladli Laxmi Yojana that
> Advani was talking about in his campaign. (Introduced in MP, as soon as a
> girl is born, a bank account is opened in her name and a certain amount is
> added monthly in her account. At the age of 18, this money sums up to Rs.
> 1,00,000/- and the girl can take it out. This can be introduced for BPL
> families or even APL families upto a certain income limit.)
>
> But as I said, if what you say is true, yes, it can be a case of
> appeasement, if the actual education being provided is useless and the only
> benefit for Muslims is to get Rs. 300/-.
>
> Also one more thing. Please see the reasons and rationale for doing things;
> don't construe each and every act as act of appeasement.
>
> Regards
>
> Rakesh
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