[Reader-list] BHOPAL TRAGEDY

[anupam chakravartty]

Rajen,

Unfortunately those who you defend so vehemently on this reader's list, the
Sangh Parivar. have selectively have a over a period of time since 1992
onwards polarised this nation raising the issue of Babri Masjid. Bhopal was
lost in the policies, tendencies and debates of selective discrimination of
people terming a specific community as anti-national.

90s and 00s experienced this polarization even more than earlier  -- in some
cases it strengthened what you call the case for this vote bank politics.
must i not suspect that such polarizations were created so that issues like
bhopal sidelined, or the alienation of the indigenous communities continue?

-anupam



On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anupam, no, it is not for anyone to endorse views, it is to understand the
> tragedies in governance, how the greed of humans derail the governance,what
> efforts are made to white-wash the censored images of our leaders in all
> walks of life to show them as spotless honest individuals, the courage to
> talk truely about the humane faults in governance and the role of
> intellectuals who keep mum when it comes to a political party which gives
> them grants and aid for the think tanks.!
> Having seen very closely, my heart bleeds for humans, irrespective of their
> faiths, who suffered, and continue to suffer as leaders enjoy the
> hospitality of DOW chemicals, give legally illegal opinions and the
> compensation and rehabilitation is not even begun for the human sufferings.
> regards,
> rajen.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:47 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Rajen,
>>
>> if you want me to endorse your views, i can say that it might be true.
>> there was no denial from my side as unlike you, i do not have so much of
>> information about it. i know one thing for sure. a pil was filed against the
>> proposed transfer of wastes to Ankleshwar in 2005, after an MoU was signed
>> between Guj and MP government. one of the most recent developments is
>> setting up of a JV plant with Gujarat Alkalies and Chemicals Limited and Dow
>> for manufacturing of methyl polymers. incidentally, Ankleshwar was declared
>> the most critically polluted taluka in India, even when MoU was signed.
>>
>> also, could you qualify when have i used the word "attack" in my posts to
>> describe this tragedy? although,  'attack' can be used described what
>> happened, as the accused have been booked under culpable homicide.
>>
>> regards
>> anupam
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anupam, I do not know why you want to bring "attack" in this human
>>> tragedy.
>>> by the way, many lives are lost, many more are affected by the chemical
>>> effects of this tragedy, most victims are muslims, and Justice ahmadi, then
>>> chief justice of India diluted the charge of criminal culpable homicide to
>>> criminal negligence, these are facts of the tragedy, even today this Justice
>>> is "serving" the humanity by being the main trustee of 87 million dollars
>>> trust, and he is not doing it for free ofcourse, none of us would dare to
>>> talk about the service rendered at the cost to humanity.!
>>> Regards,
>>> rajen.
>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rajendra,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> May be Anupam wants to drag some other external matters in to this human
>>>> tragedy
>>>>
>>>> What are you trying to say? what external matters? could you explain
>>>> yourself? or you have used my name with this, so at least tell me what makes
>>>> you say this? Bipin and Pawan enjoy your statements about bhopal tragedy, of
>>>> it being communal. Not me, so dont drag me along with yhid. on an other
>>>> post, you started asking why am i quiet about this 'communal' angle in the
>>>> bhopal incident. it is you only, who has been talking about it. If required,
>>>> i can very reproduce, the statements made by you.
>>>>
>>>> regards anupam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>>>> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Bipin, thanks,
>>>>> for putting up the right perspective of the fact that muslims were the
>>>>> victims of this tragedy, and the persons who perpetretated this tragedy
>>>>> all
>>>>> are loyalists to the first family of Congress, be it R K Dhavan and P C
>>>>> Alexander who telephoned for the safe passage of Warren Anderson, these
>>>>> two
>>>>> are kept in good humour by first family for the favours extended to the
>>>>> first family.
>>>>> May be Anupam wants to drag some other external matters in to this
>>>>> human
>>>>> tragedy, but the fact is Rajeev Phiroj Shah ( fake Gandhi) is directly
>>>>> involved, later it was honest PM of the present day along with
>>>>> Chidambaram
>>>>> and kamalnath cleared the deck for DOW chemicals thanks to the legal
>>>>> opinion
>>>>> of another loyalist and clever and cunning spokesperson, Abhishek Manu
>>>>> Singhvi,that Warren Anderson could become the absconder. !
>>>>> By the way, today the next generation might not even know the roles of
>>>>> renuka Choudhary, Ambika Soni, maneka and Jayanthi natarajan
>>>>> who danced on the table of justice Shah commisssion to disturb the
>>>>> proceedings of emergency excesses, today being rewarded as family
>>>>> courtesans!.
>>>>> By the way, why is it that Shashi Tharoor got the MP from a safe seat,
>>>>> the
>>>>> facts are simple, he was the person who got the 300 thousand oil
>>>>> coupons for
>>>>> Congress and natwar singh and cronies of Congress.Each got hefty
>>>>> benmefits
>>>>> in this scam just like kofi annan and his son.!Not that America does
>>>>> not
>>>>> know these facts, but they use it for their national interest and
>>>>> indian
>>>>> leaders use the benefits for their own interest not national interest.
>>>>> in another ten or fifteen years when some civil N-plant gets in to
>>>>> larger
>>>>> radiation leaks, this honest PM will be extending the benefits to his
>>>>> progeny and the Congress first family with N-deal, No liablity bill
>>>>> will
>>>>> have enough in the kitty to stay outof the nation, if needed.
>>>>> To get more transparent governance, only solution to stop corruption at
>>>>> high
>>>>> places is
>>>>> to declassify all the archive SECRET documents like all responsible
>>>>> democracies of the world. india is one democracy that has not
>>>>> de-classified
>>>>> its archive documents as this would expose the good and bad actions in
>>>>> governance by all those in governance.ALSO, it will give an
>>>>>  opportunity to
>>>>> see the human faultlines of all those in governance, mistakes,
>>>>> omissions and
>>>>> commissions made in decision making of the governance so that such can
>>>>> be
>>>>> avoided for future. But alas, we the citizens of India are not least
>>>>> concerned about the debauch, corrupt images of our leaders in all walks
>>>>> of
>>>>> life as we are fed with sanitized, clean and censored version of these
>>>>> leaders in governance.!
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> rajen.
>>>>>    On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Yes Rajen, I agree that you have never said that Bhopal tragedy was
>>>>> > communal
>>>>> > attack. But, someone might have misunderstood it or why predicted
>>>>> that way
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > don’t know.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > For this whole tragedy, congress is totally responsible for this
>>>>> mishap and
>>>>> > legal meshed up thereafter. Main culprit are so called veteran leader
>>>>> Arjun
>>>>> > Singh, Salman Khurshid of congress since they were in power at that
>>>>> time,
>>>>> > Justice Ahmedi who is now proved having lowest level of ethics/moral
>>>>> values
>>>>> > and perhaps most corrupted judge.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Today’s news flash shows that congress swiftly taken out their hand
>>>>> from
>>>>> > this whole tragedy by saying there is no role of central govt. but
>>>>> state
>>>>> > govt. is responsible for whole episode and put onus fully on Arjun
>>>>> Singh
>>>>> > but
>>>>> > he kept mum till time. Let us wait for his comment in the issue.
>>>>> Might be
>>>>> > Arjun Singh was just following verbal order from their high command
>>>>> and
>>>>> > obviously one cannot prove it, even Arjun Singh also.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Our laws are very poor to handle such mishaps, terrorism, hard core
>>>>> > criminal
>>>>> > activities. We need very much stricter laws for such incidences. But
>>>>> > congress never shown any such will in his long rule after
>>>>> independence, but
>>>>> > remove stricter laws like POTA for reason everyone knows. We need
>>>>> very
>>>>> > strict laws to handle all such things and courts are giving verdict
>>>>> binding
>>>>> > with present legal structure. If they wish to give hard punishment
>>>>> than
>>>>> > also
>>>>> > they cannot pass justice of their own since they are binding with the
>>>>> laws.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>> > Bipin
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From: Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi [mailto:
>>>>> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com]
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:48 PM
>>>>> > To: Bipin Trivedi
>>>>> > Cc: sarai-list
>>>>> > Subject: Re: BHOPAL TRAGEDY
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bipin,
>>>>> > where did I say that bhopal tragic incident was a communal attack, I
>>>>> > reiterate, the victims were mostly muslims, and the affected were
>>>>> poor
>>>>> > muslims, but I see it as human tragedy, messed up by the system of
>>>>> > governance, and can you imagine who are the villains in the whole
>>>>> tragedy,
>>>>> > here are the details for all to ponder over:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Arjun Singh, the Chief minister of the stste, saw to it that arrested
>>>>> > warren
>>>>> > anderson is released and transported to delhi from guest house by
>>>>> CM's
>>>>> > plane, to onward journet to america,Justice Ahmedi, former Chief
>>>>> Justice of
>>>>> > india, diluted the charges from 304  to 304 A, and became rewarded
>>>>> person
>>>>> > being the trustee of the 87 million dollars trust of the funds meant
>>>>> for
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > victims so that none to ask accountability of disbursement.!
>>>>> > CBI was asked not to follow up the extradition work of Warren
>>>>> Anderson by
>>>>> > none other than salman Khursheed, minister of state, Ministry of
>>>>> external
>>>>> > affairs,and all of these gentlemen are either "muslims" or champions
>>>>> who
>>>>> > stste that they are messiahs for the downtrodden, poor and
>>>>> minorities.!
>>>>> > Who are struggling for justice, the facts are, not Teesta, not Memon
>>>>> the
>>>>> > advocate,but selfless work of the many who are hindus.! So the
>>>>> individuals
>>>>> > who say that hindus are intolerent should learn to observe the double
>>>>> game
>>>>> > played by the oldest party in harassing muslims, seeing to it that
>>>>> they do
>>>>> > not even get compensation in even pittance, under the able Justice
>>>>> ahmedi
>>>>> > who is trustee of $87 million trust set up as part of the deal struck
>>>>> with
>>>>> > union carbide.
>>>>> > Now, again, a committee is formed to further delay, then another
>>>>> committee
>>>>> > will be to suggest methods of implementation of the compensation and
>>>>> then
>>>>> > one more for accommodating the useless, spineless CBI officers, who
>>>>> are
>>>>> > retired to supervise the cover ups, is all we can expect as common
>>>>> citizens
>>>>> > in the democratic governance from the system.!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Honest PM when went for world bank work, came back as lapdog of Bush,
>>>>> went
>>>>> > ahead with n-deal of civil Nuclear use, now, without much debate
>>>>> wants the
>>>>> > No liabilty bill for the suppliers of plants from the suppliers as he
>>>>> has
>>>>> > only to gain for the first family, and his hefty pension from world
>>>>> bank.
>>>>> > montek is another babu who even after retirement is in a position to
>>>>> take
>>>>> > care of american interests and not indian safeguards for the citizens
>>>>> of
>>>>> > india. Just watch and enjoy.!
>>>>> > love and regards,rajen.
>>>>> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Dear Rajendra,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Have you said that Bhopal tragedy is communal attack? I don’t think
>>>>> it so.
>>>>> > Muslims were more victims in this tragedy that is what you have
>>>>> mentioned.
>>>>> > Habit to see everything in communal eye is strange thing.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>> > Bipin
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Rajen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rajen.
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rajen.
>>>
>>>
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>
> --
> Rajen.
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