[Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development

Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com
Sun Jun 13 18:21:20 IST 2010

:-), liked it, your thoughts really made me smile . Love and regards, :-)

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Rajen,
> which politburo are you referring to? you are already assuming a lot of
> things when you call me a politburo member. i cant help but to laugh at
> your
> expense. thanks for making my sunday absolutely brilliant. please do not
> mind if i share this joke with my friends sir.
> i am just a regular guy, who believes in making some sense out of this
> mess.
> if that sense if coloured with the similar other observations, that is not
> my baggage to carry.
> I have also noticed a tendency among some of the readers here to
> immediately
> categorise people as jholawala communist and as naxal sympathisers.
> can we grow up please?
> Cheers and Regards
> Anupam
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear Rajendra bhai
> >
> > First of all you do talk about the rigid truth of Azamgarh. While I do
> > agree
> > that those who force women to wear hijab have a rigid view, isn't the
> view
> > to ask women to not wear hijab at all anywhere too a rigid view? Frankly
> > speaking, it's for women to choose, and in Bihar where I went, women
> while
> > not wearing burqas do have a tendency to hide their faces from men.
> Equally
> > in Bhopal, I saw not only Muslim but also Hindu girls who have
> > handkerchiefs
> > or other clothing covering their faces and upto the breast level also
> > covering their hands. This is not only to avoid any eve-teasing but also
> > ensures that girls are not caught by their parents while hanging with
> their
> > boyfriends. Should we stop that too? (And the Bajrang Dal has been
> > indulging
> > in this in Bhopal as told by my friend, since girls wearing masks makes
> it
> > difficult to find out whether the girl is a Hindu or a Muslim, at least
> for
> > the local karyakartas, and the women too protest stating that they won't
> > open their masks before any 'unknown' men). Wonder if that is a problem
> for
> > you or not.
> >
> > By the way, the burqa is not 'traditional' necessarily as is being
> claimed.
> > In many regions, it has only come in the last 100 odd years or so. Those
> > who
> > want to denounce women and reduce them to the status of being totally
> > dependent on men are responsible for just forcing this on women, but
> again
> > if women feel safe and secure wearing it, why should we stop them?
> >
> > Yes, politics is today the management of perceptions, but not entirely,
> and
> > not at the macro level as the Indian media thinks it to be. Nitish of
> > course
> > wants to have a 'secular' image, but to ensure that he has to work
> towards
> > it in some respect. He can't alllow the VHP to have a field day in pogrom
> > and then declare himself 'secular'. So pogroms are not allowed. But the
> > being the allying party means that VHP does enjoy the blessings and so is
> > able to throw stones at the local police and innocents who protest
> against
> > it, as seen in the case of fighting against the AMU campus being built in
> > Bihar.
> >
> > As for the managed perceptions, how many perceptions about Modi can be
> > wrong? (The same was asked of Lalu when he used to make the same claim
> that
> > Bihar is doing very well). The media showed what the 2002 pogrom was all
> > about. Out of the few times the Indian media had done a commendable job,
> > this was one among them. This was brought about further by films like
> > Parzania and documentaries like 'the Final Solution'. The Gujarat police
> > had
> > colluded with the ruling party associates to bring about this genocide
> > which
> > then resulted in mass violence against Muslims and also animosity amongst
> > the two communities which resulted later in violence against some Hindus
> > during end of March and April. This led to communal polarization in
> central
> > Gujarat where the BJP reaped rich political dividends. Nobody can hide
> the
> > reality that during 2002 Gujarat elections, Modi's speeches were more
> > focused on Godhra and the 'karara jawab' that the 'sampradayik tatva' had
> > to
> > face because of it. One can understand on his own what all that was
> about.
> > All know what was the situation of relief camps and what Modi had termed
> > them as ('baby-producing camps'). Neither I nor you made the comment of
> > 'hum
> > paanch humare pachees'. His speeches were laced with references to Mian
> > Musharraf after the Akshardham attack, and of course the famous quote
> that
> > if the Congress were to win, there would be celebrations in Pakistan.
> Going
> > by that logic, Pakistanis would have got many opportunities in the last
> 60
> > years to celebrate.
> >
> > Dubious logic can't withstand the seriousness of facts, and hence Modi
> has
> > been unable to answer any query on his handling of the post-Godhra riots
> at
> > all. Instead, he likes people to forget it and trumpet his achievements
> > (which a section of the Indian population, including Ratan Tata and
> others
> > indeed do), among the populace. We would also like to know as a populace
> > what does he mean by development, since he has bogus definitions and
> > understanding as seen through various quarters (as witnessed in many
> cases
> > ranging from the recent Nirma plant case to salt factories which have
> > mushroomed polluting the very salt they are supposed to process).
> >
> > Modi is a public figure (and an administrator), and he has to answer
> 2002.
> > And even if he doesn't want to, the BJP has to. They claim their name as
> > 'Bharatiya Janata Party'. We also wish to know what they did and why they
> > didn't take effective action against those culpable for instigating
> > violence
> > against a section of the 'Bharatiya Janata'. That we not only includes me
> > but several others who want that answer.
> >
> > As for his development theories, I would like to listen to them too. He
> is
> > generally seen to raise his voice only to improve his self-image.
> > Sometimes,
> > it would be prudent to speak the truth as well out in the public. And for
> > his positive achievements, congratulations, but equally if he can take
> > compliments for positives, he must learn to take brickbats and abuses for
> > his negatives as well.
> >
> > Rakesh
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