[Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development

Tue Jun 15 10:32:07 IST 2010

Also, I have never said any hindu death or muslim death in case of Bhopal
tragedy. It was you Rajen, who started this argument. The proof is there in
the archives.

Thanks again

Anupam

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Rajen
>
> 1. I seriously meant, when i said that you should stop assuming my identity
> as a Bengali or whatever. I am not from Bengal so I have no idea about what
> happens there. Right now, i am in Vadodara. That is a good enough reason for
> me state these things.
>
> 2. If numbers (of deaths) are your concern, then how does killing 900 for
> 59 persons is justified.
>
> 3. If good governance is happening, it is happening because of some
> exceptionally brilliant officials who are doing their jobs well. There are
> bad examples of governance everywhere. I was contesting the claims which
> were made on the billboards, for which we have bad examples in Gujarat
> demonstrated by the present administration.
>
> 4. I am not Bipin Trivedi that I will hide the real issues and sing praises
> for a government. It is like treachery against my own self and the people
> who I work for.
>
> If you have any doubts, I would be more than willing to clarify.
>
> Thank you
>
> Anupam
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anupam,
>> Is it this practice in West bengal, I mean, police coming to check up for
>> the dissent and growing popularity of mamatha.......!Come on , now grow up,
>> Anupam, we are in free india, left behind the congress sponsored emergency
>> days defeating it with ballots.Gujarath no doubt is red rag for many who see
>> only pogroms and genocide and not good governance, as they are adept and
>> quick to adopt for the sycophancy for Congress which has the expertise of
>> genocide for 30000 deaths in bhopal, 3000 deaths in Delhi and 900 odd deaths
>> of muslims who were rioters is genocide because they were muslims, not the
>> deaths of burnt hindus in train coach, not the deaths of those killed in
>> police firing for riots because they are hindus.!Please do come out of this
>> mental ghettos of faiths, see the death as a death be it of a muslim or
>> hindu, it was a human being who died as the greed of congress leaders for
>> the wealth made it possible, be it a Bhopal gas, n-deal of honest PM or
>> N-deal of no liabilty for the plant suppliers or the legal opinions for DOW
>> chemicals.!
>> regards,
>> rajen.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:47 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Bipin
>>>
>>> Modi has really done an excellent job by promoting Gujarat government's
>>> charitable work on banners in Bihar for the Kosi flood victims. What
>>> publicity to gain after one year since the floods occured, because of
>>> elections are around the corner. The credit must go to Mr modi only with
>>> his
>>> face on the banner. Dont you dare to say anything against a banner
>>> because
>>> if you do, cops will come teach you a lesson. I mean nothing could be
>>> compared to Mr Modi and his governance when it comes to publicity and
>>> image
>>> maintainence. Gujarat is a haven for PR agencies. You can just claim
>>> anything and it will be turned into truth with Mr Modi's blessings.
>>>
>>> Bipin, way to go. I am sure you will be awarded something like a Gujarat
>>> Ratna for carrying this propaganda for free while neglecting the genuine
>>> issues of Gujaratis. Really brilliant. No other for it.
>>>
>>> Anupam
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear Rakesh,
>>> >
>>> > When you don't want to believe recent Sachar Committee report about
>>> Muslims
>>> > of Gujarat there is no point to discuss further in the matter. Many
>>> > journalists and people of India visiting Gujarat regularly and no one
>>> has
>>> > yet oppose the Sachar committee report and not even congress leaders
>>> except
>>> > the people like you! There is no question to waste time and energy to
>>> > discuss in the issue. I doubt that someone like you will try to publish
>>> the
>>> > theory that BJP has managed Justice Sachar to have such report!!!
>>> >
>>> > Modi has guts to give answer and appear before SIT appointed by SC for
>>> > about
>>> > 5 hours and told to co-operate further in the matter if required.
>>> Actually
>>> > you people don't have guts to accept such things and argue
>>> unnecessarily in
>>> > only one point program of Gujarat. I was listening the gramophone
>>> records
>>> > on
>>> > earlier days and when some scratches was there it sticks there and
>>> > repeating
>>> > one word/line only, the same thing applicable for people like you.
>>> Stick to
>>> > one point agenda or topic only even when discussion of other topic also
>>> > Gujarat topic comes always in the discussion.
>>> >
>>> > Normally everyone expect sorry from Sonia Gandhi rather than Manmohan
>>> > Singh,
>>> > Since sorry from Manmohan Singh is of no use as he was not at all in
>>> > congress or politics at that time. Since it was her family matter and
>>> due
>>> > to
>>> > her family only she is in this position today, so sorry from her is
>>> more
>>> > important, though she was not in active politics at that time. So,
>>> argument
>>> > itself is irrelevant. We have already discussed about Gujarat pogrom
>>> and
>>> > explained you in various angle so there is no use to discuss it again
>>> and
>>> > waste my energy. You are free to post whatever you want to. Only one
>>> > sentence I want to tell that if coach burnt incident was not there than
>>> > riot
>>> > also will not be there. So it is wrong to blame that riot is state
>>> > sponsored. That was spontaneous.
>>> >
>>> > There are so many isms in India like Marathaism, tamilism, dravidism,
>>> > teluguism, bengalism, Islamism and so we lack Nationalism and this is
>>> the
>>> > problem today that this regionalism is biggest hindrance to grow India
>>> > healthily. Gujarat has no ism, no regional parties and that is the
>>> reason
>>> > Gujarat is well ahead in progress than other states.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Bipin
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> > To: Bipin Trivedi
>>> > Cc: Raheema Begum; sarai-list
>>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>>> >
>>> > Indeed, Gujarat has a secular development, which was being showcased by
>>> > Narendra Modi (or his sympathizers at least) in the form of ads
>>> published
>>> > in
>>> > Bihar papers, which interestingly had a photo of girls learning
>>> computer
>>> > education. Sadly for whoever got the advertisement published, truth
>>> emerged
>>> > that the photos were of a college in Azamgarh and not in Gujarat,
>>> neither
>>> > were the girls Gujarati or sent by the Gujarat govt. to Azamgarh as
>>> part of
>>> > a scholarship.
>>> >
>>> > It would be interesting if the Gujarat govt. does showcase this secular
>>> > development in the form of encouraging journalists and other ordinary
>>> > citizens to come to Gujarat and see for themselves the condition of
>>> > Muslims,
>>> > rather than sympathizers of Modi putting out such dubious ads in
>>> > newspapers.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The biggest problem with the Gujarat govt. including Modi is that they
>>> > don't
>>> > have the guts to give answers, but instead point to the wrong
>>> questions.
>>> > When somebody asks about justice for post-Godhra victims, Modi turns to
>>> the
>>> > agricultural growth of the state. This is extremely dubious. After all,
>>> if
>>> > a
>>> > state has positive agricultural growth (which is indeed an
>>> achievement),
>>> > why
>>> > should we be questioning Modi at all on it? Just to ensure he gets
>>> > publicity? Any politician or public authority is questioned for the
>>> wrong
>>> > or
>>> > controversial decisions he/she had taken at some point of time. Instead
>>> of
>>> > having the guts and the conviction to answer the truth and accept one's
>>> own
>>> > mistakes, Modi and his sympathizers and partymen only parrot the
>>> positives
>>> > as if Narendra Modi is God who can do no wrong.
>>> >
>>> > They yet don't have the guts to say sorry for what happened in 2002,
>>> when
>>> > ironically a Manmohan Singh (who had no control over what happened in
>>> > 1984),
>>> > said sorry for 1984. The 'sorry' won't mean justice has been done, but
>>> the
>>> > 'sorry' indeed will be a big change as it will mean a reflection on the
>>> > fact
>>> > that irrespective of their belief that Muslims are traitors or are not
>>> > patriotic to the Indian nationhood, a RSS-karyakarta-turned CM would
>>> have
>>> > accepted that he failed in protecting their lives as Indian citizens
>>> and
>>> > violated the Indian constitution in that manner, and that he promises
>>> that
>>> > such a thing will never happen in future. But he won't say sorry,
>>> because
>>> > he
>>> > hardly cares about those who died, and it would instead affect his
>>> public
>>> > image in Gujarat as a Hindutva hardliner.
>>> >
>>> > It is indeed wrong when we bring every question of Gujarat's
>>> development
>>> > back to 2002. But to forget 2002 would be dubious because what Modi has
>>> > done
>>> > and got away with will encourage other CM's also to do the same and win
>>> > elections on the dead bodies of people. Modi would have himself been
>>> > encouraged by the 1984 pogrom organized by Congress which got away with
>>> it.
>>> > Therefore, it's time people like Modi are taken to task for having
>>> messed
>>> > around with the Indian criminal judicial system and the lives of
>>> innocents.
>>> >
>>> > By the way, Shiv Sena constructed many mosques after coming to power in
>>> > Maharashtra (on the plank of having 'protected Hindus'). That doesn't
>>> > absolve them of what they did before coming to power, i.e. killing
>>> > innocents. Your good deeds can't absolve you of your bad ones. And that
>>> > should be understood clearly.
>>> >
>>> > Rakesh
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Rajen.
>>
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