[Reader-list] More on little kashmiri boys

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Wed Mar 3 11:11:26 IST 2010

I havent come across "Baccha Khor ' as "Adam Khor " is used in urdu.

Neverthless ....i still buy your argument .... we are used to believe
by heart and not by mind.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Pawan,
> Thanks for your translation effort. It is just that "Baccha Khor" is
> not a Kashmiri word but an Urdu one--and means "child eater" or
> "child-killer" as in "Aadam Khor"--the man-eater. There is a Kashmiri
> (countryside) phrase too which sounds similar, but simple logic would
> suggest the use of that meaning will make no sense in the context.
> Also, I took the word "Baccha Khor" from the article that Sonia had
> posted. I don't particularly have any liking for verbal overkill.
> Keep well,
> Junaid
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> For those who do not understand Kashmiri , Junaid has written that the
>> 10 day old Irfan was killed by "Baccha Khor".
>> The rough translation of that is "Naughty Boy".
>> So , the killers have become naughty boys...
>> God bless the society .....
>> Pawan
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> A brief addition to our little conversation:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbS_Qu0Re8g
>>> Junaid
>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Sonia,
>>>> Thanks for sending in Ahmed Ali Fayaz's interesting report on "Bacha
>>>> Khour" gang. It surely does complicate our understanding of how
>>>> "stone-pelters" have  developed multiple connections. At 12 and 13
>>>> years' of age these hardened criminals seem to be quite savvy and
>>>> entrepreneurial, enough to play around with the politicians, the
>>>> police, the separatists, and even the CM! These ruffians with very
>>>> terrifying names: Meena Kumari, Itchguard, the lowest of the urchins,
>>>> seem to have suddenly become a pain for all the above grandees, but
>>>> above all to the "silent majority," the "99 percent of the
>>>> population--which according to the article is constituted by an
>>>> "influential businessmen", " a "trader" and the "Beopar Mandal
>>>> president"--who is also a "Jammati-Islami rakun."
>>>> It is surprising that the silent majority of old town Baramulla was on
>>>> the streets not too long ago. In the protests against Amarnath land
>>>> grab, old town Baramulla's silent majority was the first one to come
>>>> out to protest. The first major rally started from there. More than
>>>> 60000 people from Old Town and adjoining villages came out for the
>>>> "Muzzafarabad Chalo" march. It was people from this place who were
>>>> killed, around 5 of them, when Indian troops fired at the rally in
>>>> Sangrama, which also killed Hurriyat leader Sheikh Aziz. Overall,
>>>> since 2008 around 20 people have been killed in the town by the CRPF,
>>>> and one by the "bacha khour" stone-pelters. The unfortunate death of
>>>> Irfan is uncondonable and those responsible should be brought to
>>>> book--yet in all likelihood it looks like it was accidental, if you
>>>> heard what the mother had to say.
>>>> Accident or whatever, it was cruel. There are only very few deaths and
>>>> injuries in Kashmir that evoke "aahs" and "uffs" of our Dilliwala
>>>> bleeding-hearts or stir media houses into a frenzy to sip to the last
>>>> dregs "tragic human stories" (which, for them, are actually feel-good
>>>> stories--"well, see, we are not the only ones doing the
>>>> killings"--even if we do most of them!). So, I am not surprised about
>>>> the media "reaction" to Irfan's death. It is the same media which just
>>>> celebrated CBI's criminal report on Shopian rape case. There is a fine
>>>> line between objectivity and nationalism, and Indian media is not only
>>>> unaware of it, but has placed itself at the unethical end of
>>>> right-wing nationalism.
>>>> Old town Baramulla has always defied government control and it is not
>>>> a new  feature. These old towns and the downtowns are the working
>>>> class hubs in the Kashmir valley, but they are also centers for
>>>> small-scale artisans, who don't care about government jobs.
>>>> Businessmen, really, do not form the silent majority there.
>>>> Geelani sahab and his Islamist followers are worried that these
>>>> stone-pelters are on their own, that they don't listen to them. Which
>>>> is kind of the opposite of what he wanted at the Eid Gah rally in
>>>> 2008, where in front of a million people he claimed to be the sole
>>>> leader of Kashmiris, amid boos and eewws.
>>>> I understand that your earnestness in posting these news-reports is in
>>>> good faith, and it is not a feel-good thing for you. I, like you, hope
>>>> that those who were involved are punished.
>>>> Junaid
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