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aliens at dataone.in
Mon Mar 22 17:53:12 IST 2010
Everything should not see in the eye of statistics. Just use common sense.
Unless and until people does not come out of their caste circle, no
reservation policy is able to uplift them. They themselves has made fence
around them. However, now slowly and gradually people are coming out from
their caste factor and this is good sign, but this process is very slow.
When they come out from that factor, automatically improve their standard
and even no reservation required. Same thing applicable to Muslim. But, for
them also things changing and they are lauding their voices and coming out
of their leader/imam/clerics trap.
if you ask your society man who collects garbage about their no. of children
and ask why you don't go for small family you will receive astonishing
reply. From many I have received such reply what I have mentioned in earlier
mail due to reservation we don't bother for more children since they will
get job. Let me ask, how many brothers/sisters are you?
I have never said that Gujarat is in golden era. The Hindu today is wide
circulated paper and you have taken article published in it and I have not
challenged that data, but, I have just said that be updated and when you are
putting and arguing something in 2010, don't try to prove something from
data published in 2006. That's all. Hindu also publishing the same data of
2006 in 2010, what's meaning of it. They understand well that in 2010 things
would have been changed, still they publish it that's objectionable and
trying to prove something actually not there today.
You are master in searching the data in internet, why don't you search the
fact that overloading of wagon tonnage was tried earlier on trial base
before Lalu regime and it was on the way to put in practice and Lalu became
railway minister coincidently at that time.
BY THE WAY, I WAS PUTTING MY POINT ON BIHAR ISSUE THEN WHERE THE GUJARAT
COMES IN THE PICTURE I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THAT WAS YOUR MAIL TITLE AND I WAS
SIMPLY REPLYING TO YOUR MAIL, SO NATUARALLY WILL HAVE THE SAME TITLE.
From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:07 PM
To: anupam chakravartty
Cc: Bipin Trivedi; sarai-list
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] FW: ATTEMPT OF TARNISHING GUJARAT IMAGE
Dear Bipin jee
1) I have already stated and I would repeat it: let us debate and discuss
not through using perceptions (although they are important and their forming
is not wrong), but through statistics or logical arguments. To state that
SC/ST and Muslims are poor because of themselves, without any statistic to
back you, or any logical arguments doesn't bring about any value of the
things which you have said, to this debate or discussion.
The same can be said about the rest of the mail too, particularly when
reservation is being claimed as a method to increase one's own section of
2) Secondly, the very subject title as tarnishing Gujarat's image is
absolutely wrong. Different people can have different images of Gujarat. For
a person like you, Gujarat may be in the Golden era. For me, it can be in
the Disaster era. For someone else, it may be same as say Maharashtra.
Gujarat has as many images as people wish to see. Just because my thoughts
or my reading or interpretation of events doesn't support your image of
Gujarat, doesn't mean that the image of Gujarat is tarnished. (though in
your eyes it may remain that way because how I look at it doesn't support
your theory or perception)
Yes, you can say that lies are being spread about Gujarat. But to the best
of my knowledge, there are no lies being spread about Gujarat on this forum.
I, and even others, have used data from relevant and authentic sources to
put across the same.
3) The arguments made by you make it seem like you are an insider in
administrative politics. I am not one to comment on whether Railway reform
was ongoing or not, and right now I don't have facts (or the time to find
them out) regarding railway reforms being carried out or not. What I do know
about Laloo being the Railway Minister is this:
i) all long distance trains were declared as Superfast trains by him, and
hence for each train, passengers who reserved seats had to pay the Superfast
charge. This was not the case before he became the Railway Minister.
ii) Earlier, for freight transport, there were certain restrictions to be
followed as per law, regarding the tonnage limits of any wagon. These were
The end result was higher earnings of the Railways Ministry. I even don't
know what's the argument about accounting formula used under him, which was
brought to notice by Mamata Banerjee in her white paper.
4) I haven't met anybody in my life who believes that due to reservation
being provided to his/her community, he/she should produce more children. So
I can't comment on that. May be you can advise such people to understand
such things are dubious for their own health and their own economic
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