[Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"

Sun Oct 24 20:33:06 IST 2010

You can better answer that question. I was not sure you were a dance about 
the war. If you help me answer your question you can actually clarify your 
position in the mock throw.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Inder Salim" <indersalim at gmail.com>
To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the 
Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"

> are not there dances
> which are based on war
> do they glorify wars?
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:35 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> But dear Inder Salim ji. I think I read that statement and expressed my
>> skepticism. If Inder Salim ji says he does not support violence but
>> glorifies stone pelters on any forum to do with Kashmiri separatists, I 
>> will
>> have reason to be skeptical about his statement about nonviolence.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Inder Salim" <indersalim at gmail.com>
>> To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
>> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
>>
>>
>>> But dear Taraprakash ji
>>> Shudda concludes
>>>
>>> "By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>>> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and
>>> witnessed."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Inbox
>>> X
>>>
>>> cashmeeri
>>> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir - its
>>> "Liqu...
>>>
>>> 2:38 PM (22 hours ago)
>>>
>>> Reply
>>>
>>> |
>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
>>> Mohandas ...
>>>
>>> 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
>>> Shuddhabrata SenguptaLoading...
>>> 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>>> to cashmeeri, Sarai
>>>
>>> show details 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
>>> Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition,
>>> (regardless of whether one was or was not a believer in any religion)
>>> and was even against the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we think
>>> that his vision of 'Ram Rajya' would be identical to what Aalok Aima
>>> considers to be an Islamic state?
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
>>> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
>>> long as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr.
>>> Aima's suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's
>>> Gujarat (and the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we
>>> have come to having an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest we
>>> actually came to being an Islamic state in India was actually during
>>> Morarji Desai;s prime ministership, when some of the current champions
>>> of Hindutva were in power, when total prohibition was imposed on all
>>> of India. In fact we came even closer than the vision of SAS Geelani,
>>> which at least allows the 'non-believer' his or her daily tipple?
>>> Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went on to suggest that if a bottle of
>>> alchohl belongiing to a non believer was willingly or unwillingly
>>> damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have to compensate the
>>> non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of an Islamic
>>> state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their bottle has been
>>> damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said - "Muslims, do not
>>> insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers, for they will
>>> insult your God in return" and that the obligations of humanity are
>>> binding in our relations even with those we consider to be our
>>> enemies. Interesting stuff, coming as it does from the man who is so
>>> offen held up as a figure of inflexible bigotry.
>>>
>>> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>>> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and
>>> witnessed.
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> Shuddha
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir
>>> - its "Liquor Policy":
>>>
>>> http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>>>
>>> "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir would
>>> be such that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims. It would
>>> be prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if minorities feel
>>> they want to have liquor they would be allowed to consume as their
>>> right,"
>>>
>>> Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
>>> I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This sounds
>>> suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>>>
>>> Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims ..... no Liquor
>>>
>>> Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>>>
>>> ............. aalok aima
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> TaraPrakash
>>> to Shuddhabrata, cashmeeri, Sarai
>>>
>>> show details 9:49 PM (15 hours ago)
>>>
>>> The point probably the mailer was making and you are missing is that
>>> the assumption is that SASG's "free" Kashmir will be primarily an
>>> Islamic state that will allow some unislamic things to happen. This is
>>> the same vision of Hindu Rashtra that Advani was selling to Indians
>>> when BJP was being seen as taking power away in India.
>>>
>>> That you don't necessarily agree with SASG makes no freaking sense to
>>> me especially when you have unequivocally blatantly unskeptically
>>> defended and justified SASG on this forum. By becoming a SASG stooge
>>> you have joined the ranks of RSS. By putting SASG and MK Gandhi in the
>>> same sentence you killed the embodiment of nonviolence once more, and
>>> joined RSS ranks in more than one way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta"
>>> <shuddha at sarai.net>
>>> To: "cashmeeri" <cashmeeri at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
>>> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate
>>> than Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition,
>>> (regardless of whether one was or was not a believer in any religion)
>>> and was even against the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we
>>> think that his vision of 'Ram Rajya' would be identical to what
>>> Aalok Aima considers to be an Islamic state?
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
>>> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
>>> long as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr.
>>> Aima's suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's
>>> Gujarat (and the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we
>>> have come to having an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest
>>> we actually came to being an Islamic state in India was actually
>>> during Morarji Desai;s prime ministership, when some of the current
>>> champions of Hindutva were in power, when total prohibition was
>>> imposed on all of India. In fact we came even closer than the vision
>>> of SAS Geelani, which at least allows the 'non-believer' his or her
>>> daily tipple? Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went on to suggest that if a
>>> bottle of alchohl belongiing to a non believer was willingly or
>>> unwillingly damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have to
>>> compensate the non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of
>>> an Islamic state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their
>>> bottle has been damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said -
>>> "Muslims, do not insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers,
>>> for they will insult your God in return" and that the obligations of
>>> humanity are binding in our relations even with those we consider to
>>> be our enemies. Interesting stuff, coming as it does from the man
>>> who is so offen held up as a figure of inflexible bigotry.
>>>
>>> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>>> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and
>>> witnessed.
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> Shuddha
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free
>>> Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy":
>>>
>>> http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>>>
>>> "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir
>>> would be such that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims.
>>> It would be prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if
>>> minorities feel they want to have liquor they would be allowed to
>>> consume as their right,"
>>>
>>> Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
>>> I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This
>>> sounds suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>>>
>>> Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims .....
>>> no Liquor
>>>
>>> Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>>>
>>> ............. aalok aima
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>>> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>>> Raqs Media Collective
>>> shuddha at sarai.net
>>> www.sarai.net
>>> www.raqsmediacollective.net
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>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:49 PM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The point probably the mailer was making and you are missing is that 
>>>> the
>>>> assumption is that SASG's "free" Kashmir will be primarily an Islamic
>>>> state
>>>> that will allow some unislamic things to happen. This is the same 
>>>> vision
>>>> of
>>>> Hindu Rashtra that Advani was selling to Indians when BJP was being 
>>>> seen
>>>> as
>>>> taking power away in India.
>>>>
>>>> That you don't necessarily agree with SASG makes no freaking sense to 
>>>> me
>>>> especially when you have unequivocally blatantly unskeptically defended
>>>> and
>>>> justified SASG on this forum. By becoming a SASG stooge you have joined
>>>> the
>>>> ranks of RSS. By putting SASG and MK Gandhi in the same sentence you
>>>> killed
>>>> the embodiment of nonviolence once more, and joined RSS ranks in more
>>>> than
>>>> one way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta"
>>>> <shuddha at sarai.net>
>>>> To: "cashmeeri" <cashmeeri at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:33 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
>>>> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
>>>>> Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition, 
>>>>> (regardless
>>>>> of
>>>>> whether one was or was not a believer in any religion) and was even
>>>>> against
>>>>> the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we think that his vision of
>>>>> 'Ram
>>>>> Rajya' would be identical to what Aalok Aima considers to be an 
>>>>> Islamic
>>>>> state?
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
>>>>> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
>>>>> long
>>>>> as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr. 
>>>>> Aima's
>>>>> suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's Gujarat
>>>>> (and
>>>>> the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we have come to
>>>>> having
>>>>> an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest we actually came to
>>>>> being
>>>>> an Islamic state in India was actually during Morarji Desai;s prime
>>>>> ministership, when some of the current champions of Hindutva were in
>>>>> power,
>>>>> when total prohibition was imposed on all of India. In fact we came 
>>>>> even
>>>>> closer than the vision of SAS Geelani, which at least allows the
>>>>> 'non-believer' his or her daily tipple? Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went
>>>>> on
>>>>> to suggest that if a bottle of alchohl belongiing to a non believer 
>>>>> was
>>>>> willingly or unwillingly damaged by a Muslim, then the state would 
>>>>> have
>>>>> to
>>>>> compensate the non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of 
>>>>> an
>>>>> Islamic state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their bottle
>>>>> has
>>>>> been damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said - "Muslims, do
>>>>> not
>>>>> insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers, for they will
>>>>> insult
>>>>> your God in return" and that the obligations of humanity are binding 
>>>>> in
>>>>> our
>>>>> relations even with those we consider to be our enemies. Interesting
>>>>> stuff, coming as it does from the man who is so offen held up as a
>>>>> figure
>>>>> of inflexible bigotry.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>>>>> vision
>>>>> of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and 
>>>>> witnessed.
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>>
>>>>> Shuddha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir - 
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> "Liquor Policy":
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir would be
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims. It would be
>>>>>> prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if minorities feel they
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to have liquor they would be allowed to consume as their right,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
>>>>>> I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This sounds
>>>>>> suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims ..... no
>>>>>> Liquor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ............. aalok aima
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>>>>> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>>>>> Raqs Media Collective
>>>>> shuddha at sarai.net
>>>>> www.sarai.net
>>>>> www.raqsmediacollective.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
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