[Reader-list] Fw: Re: Why Kashmir defies solutions

SJabbar sonia.jabbar at gmail.com
Tue Sep 7 18:32:18 IST 2010


Did they?  Or did they do what most people do, make their peace with the new
dispensation and get on with life.

The point is to understand how it is that a phenomena like 60,000 young men
applying for 3,000 jobs can happen in the midst of what people are
describing as a revolution. Can it be that they don't see the J&K Police as
an abhorrent force?  Can it be that they are the relatives of men who are
already in the JKP?  Can it be that they don't subscribe to azadi? And how
do the families of tens of thousands of men who are in the JKP and JAKLI see
their kin?  

Another puzzling matter:  we speak of the AFSPA and its revocation but the
JKP is not protected by the Act.  And one more thing: the army, that has
been responsible for the worst human rights abuses in the last 2 decades is
not targeted by the stone-pelters.  They continue their work of patrolling
and cordon & search operations as if they live on another planet. The target
is always the JKP.


On 07/09/10 6:06 PM, "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:

> agreed. but how come they all became unquestionable nationalists after
> 
1947?

On 07-Sep-10, at 5:41 PM, SJabbar wrote:

> You're right Jeebesh, and
> most people who were recruited were  
> absolutely
> loyal to the British
> Empire and deeply suspicious of the Congress.   
> And why
> just speak of the
> 20th c. ? In 1857 the country was deeply divided  
> and very
> few at the
> time articulated it as a 'war for independence.'  It  
> would be
> foolish to
> say that those who served the British Empire were closet
> nationalists forced
> into furthering their careers by joining the  
> army or
> ICS.
>
>
> On
> 07/09/10 5:22 PM, "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>
>> recruitment in
> indian subcontinent during the ww1 and ww2 for jobs in
> the
>> british army
> was very high. what did this say about the aspiration
> and lives
>> being led
> at that time in the sub continent. do we even
> count that number
>> today in
> discussing 20s, 30s, 40s, in the sub
> continent?
>
> On 07-Sep-10, at
>> 2:10
> PM, SJabbar wrote:
>
>> But Gowhar, what happens when a man who hitherto
>>
> abhors an
>> institution joins
>> it? What happens to that extreme emotion
>>
> when the line is crossed,
>> when the
>> uniform is donned, when the
> 'danda'
>> drops firmly into his hands?
>> By your logic all those who joined
> the force
>> post-1990 once abhorred
>> the
>> institution and now have become
> the
>> oppressors.  And those who pelt
>> stones
>> at the oppressors now want
> to
>> join the same hated institution only
>> to become
>> future oppressors?
> Not
>> one, not two but 60,000 young men?  You may
>> understand this, but I
> have to
>> tell you, it's left me totally
>> perplexed.
>>
>>
>> On 07/09/10
> 1:58 PM,
>> "gowhar fazli" <gowharfazili at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't
> like the heading
>> "Why Kashmir
>>> defies solutions".
>>>
>>> It is in
>>>>
> these moments that the
>> real desperation and loss
>>> of self of Kashmiris
> as a
>>>> people becomes
>> evident. For
>>> livelihood they have to stoop
> before the same
>>>>
>> institutions
>>> that torment them or that they abhor
> for obvious
>> reasons.
>>>
>>>> This contradiction that runs through their
> very selves,
>>>
>> prevents people
>>>> from acquiring a full blown
> human-hood.
>>>
>>> There should
>> be no guilt or
>>>> indignity associated
> with
>>> acquiring of livelihood
>> through legitimate means,
>>>> but
> this
>>> is the case one way or the other,
>> for most people in
>>>
> Kashmir.
>>>> The boundaries between legitimate and
>> illegitimate
>>> are
> dizzyingly fuzzy
>>>> because of the manner in which the
>>>
>> selves are
> split.
>>>
>>> If not for any
>>>> other but for the indignities
>> involved
> in
>>> the status quo that Kashmir issue
>>>> should be resolved for
>>>
>>
> good.
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 9/7/10, SJabbar
>>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
>>>
>>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: SJabbar
>>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject:
>>
> [Reader-list] Why Kashmir defies
>>>> solutions
>>>> To: "Sarai"
>>
> <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> Date: Tuesday,
>>>> September 7, 2010, 10:19
> AM
>>>>
>> Printed from
>>>>
>>>> Khaki enemy? 60,000
>>>> Kashmiris apply for
> 3,000
>> police
>>> jobs
>>>> M Saleem Pandit, TNN, Sep 7,
>>>> 2010, 01.30am
> IST
>>>>
>> SRINAGAR: Despite reports of desertions in its ranks
>>>
>>>>
> and
>>>> threats of
>> social
>>>> boycott, J&K police has emerged as a big
> draw
>>>> for
>>> young
>>>>
>> job hunters in
>>>> employment-starved
> Kashmir. Ignoring calls
>>>> by
>>>
>> hardliners to
>>>> shun the khaki
>>>>
> force, nearly 60,000 men applied
>>>> for
>> less than 3,000
>>> jobs
>>>> in
> J&K police --
>>>> about 200 applicants for
>>>>
>> one constable's
> post.
>>>>
>>>> The applications piled up over the last few
>>>>
>>
> months,
>>> about
>>>> the time when the
>>>> situation in the Valley
> appeared
>> to
>>>> be spinning out
>>> of
>>>> control with the cops
>>>>
> particularly being
>> at the
>>>> receiving end of public
>>> wrath.
>>>>
>>>>
> J&K police DG Kuldeep
>> Khoda said
>>>> the department
>>> has
>>>> received
> 58,975
>>>> applications,
>> against 2,786
>>>> vacancies across the
>>>
> Valley.
>>>> "The response from
>>>>
>> (the worst-hit)
>>>> Srinagar and
> Budgam districts was even
>>> more
>>>>
>> heartening," he
>>>> said.
>>>>
> "We've received 2,860 applications, against
>> 529
>>> posts
>>>> in
> Srinagar
>>>>
>>>> district, while 8053 against 283 in
>> Budgam," he
> said.
>>>>
>>>> Lack of jobs
>>>> has been a big spur for the
>> protests
>>>
> that
>>>> brought thousands of
>>>>
>>>> young educated men on to the
>>
> streets. Official
>>> estimates of
>>>> the number
>>>> of
>>>> unemployed in
> the
>> Valley stands at 3 lakhs.
>>>>
>>>> Khoda told
>>>> reporters the
> department held
>> a
>>> recruitment
>>>> rally in Baramulla
>>>>
>>>>
> district in July and was
>> overwhelmed with the
>>> response.
>>>> "Over
> 8,000
>>>> people
>>>> turned up for
>> 412 posts despite turmoil in the
>>>
> district,"
>>>> he
>>>> said, and added
>>>>
>> that even stone-pelters
> attended the rally. He said
>>>
>>>> the
>>>> department
>> was
>>>> mulling
> more on-the-spot recruitment drives
>>>> across
>>> the
>>>>
>> Valley,
> particularly
>>>> in Srinagar's downtown area to end
>>>> the
>>
> unrest.
>>>>
>>>> The top cop rubbished reports on desertions and
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> insubordination. He claimed
>>>> no police personnel had quit since
>>
> mid-June
>>>> when
>>> Kashmir
>>>> erupted in anger
>>>> against the
> alleged
>> staged encounter
>>>> of three north
>>> Kashmir
>>>> youth and
> a
>>>> 17-year-old
>> boy's killing in
>>>> police action. Over 60
>>>
> people,
>>>> including women
>>>>
>> and children, have
>>>> died in police
> firing on
>>> protesters
>>>> since
>> then.
>>>>
>>>> State
>>>> government
> sources said J&K CM Omar
>>> Abdullah,
>> who
>>>> has called for a
>>>>
>>>>
> proactive approach including the phased
>> revocation of
>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
> controversial
>>>> Armed Forces Special Forces Act
>> to deal with
> street
>>>>
>>>> protests, has ordered
>>>> creation of more police
>> jobs to
> induct youth from
>>>> the
>>>> troubled areas.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, in
>> its
> ongoing drive to reach out
>>>> to the
>>> people,
>>>> Kashmir range
>>>>
> IGP
>> Kashmir, S M Sahai, attended
>>>> police-public
>>> meetings in
>>>>
> Ganderbal
>> and
>>>> Budgam districts. "At
>>>> Ganderbal District Police
>>>
> Lines,
>>>>
>> around 300 people
>>>> including senior
>>>> citizens and
> sarpanchs
>> participated,"
>>> a
>>>> police spokesman
>>>> said.
>>>> "Sahai
> assured the
>> people that police will
>>> adopt
>>>> maximum
> restraint
>>>>
>>>> while dealing
>> with law and order
> situations."
>>>>
>>>>
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