[Reader-list] "Salman tells Pak channel, we overreacted to 26/11 because THE ELITE WERE HIT"

[Bipin Trivedi]

Can you tell what you believe to become rich. You might be keeping politicians in mind who become elite by mal practices.


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From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net] On Behalf Of Inder Salim
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:42 PM
To: reader-list
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "Salman tells Pak channel, we overreacted to 26/11 because THE ELITE WERE HIT"

Dear Bipin sahib

"Man becomes rich with our own
> intellectual hard work along with destiny."

it a very naive position , but it is a typical  "middle class man" in
India who believe so.

best wishes, keep it up

best
is


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> Dear Pheeta,
>
> Neither I am elite nor fallen in  news trap. I am middle class man.
>
> At first place I have objected about the Salman statement timings since he
> has his selfish motto behind this statement and Salman is also elite only.
> Even this news/statement got hype because the celebrity and elite like
> Salman spoke it, don’t you think so?
>
> Is it wrong to become wealthy or elite? Why you against the elite? To become
> rich is everyone dream is it not yours? Man becomes rich with our own
> intellectual hard work along with destiny.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
>
> From: Pheeta Ram [mailto:pheeta.ram at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 11:45 AM
> To: Bipin Trivedi
> Cc: sarai-list
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "Salman tells Pak channel, we overreacted to
> 26/11 because THE ELITE WERE HIT"
>
> Dear Tapas
>
> As far as i know, 'majma' is a hindustani word for a gathering of people. I
> was using it more in the colloquial sense of 'tamashbeen' which, i think,
> means bunch of people who gather to watch some curious spectacle or event or
> for the audience of a performance of 'tamasha' [a Marathi folk art form].
> Some such scene prevailed in the vicinity of the Taj on that evening of 20th
> November. You could easily read the horror on the faces of Mumbai elites
> some of whom were visiting in their imported cars. You could contrast it
> with the jubilation on the faces of street vendors. This jubilation was
> cathartic, i believe.
>
> Dear Bipin
>
> After having read your response,i believe its 'either'-'or'-'both' situation
> with respect to you: either, you are an elite yourself (self-imagined or
> otherwise) or, you have fallen in the very trap that the Delhi times has
> laid out for innocent souls to fall in; or both are applicable in your case.
> That is the very reason i had underscored the word "overreacted" in my post
> particularly. The editor at the TOI office, who gave such a clever turn to
> the headline by inserting this word [though 'reacted' is there in Salman's
> statement] should be specially awarded the Ramnath Goenka Excellence in
> Journalism award for being a pastmaster in propaganda. Also, let us not
> overlook the fact that the word "overreacted" has overbearing family
> resemblances with "over-hyped." There is no comparing  the loss of human
> life. The idea is to hammer a point to the home of elites: "heads must begin
> to roll" [to use a phrase much in currency during that time in the News
> Channel studios] because the pleasure palaces of the elites had come under
> attack for the first time. Those who have a taste for headlines will
> remember this international post 9/11 headline: TERROR COMES HOME. This is
> one of the best headlines i have ever come across. Just imagine its impact
> in the hearts of the residents of the first-world who consume 250 times more
> energy than their third-world counterparts and pollute the earth 250 times
> more. In their heart of hearts they knew that all their pleasures were being
> paid for with the blood of the third-world poor. That was the moment of
> reckoning: that cold touch of the 'real'.
>
> The question of "Why now?" is no question at all. We are quite used to such
> gimmicks by now and needn't trouble binaries uselessly. I am just trying to
> look at the entire issue through the lens of class and trying to refuse the
> temptation of hairsplitting (may be, such fineries are beyond my
> constitution). The people who do our share of thinking for us are fully
> justified when they fail to raise such issues; can you lift yourself by your
> shoelaces? No, we know. The entire struggle of the elite ruling class is
> against getting eaten up by itself, such is the nature of its parasitism.
> Don't forget: our stomach begins consuming itself when it doesn't get any
> supply of food. The entire effort of the popular entertainment run by the
> elites is to sublimate, channelise and diffuse the 'class hatred' simmering
> in the hearts of the poor and the dispossessed because it is this class
> hatred which constitutes the stuff revolutions are made of!
>
> Best
>
> Pheeta
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> Just read Salman's statement given in the Delhi Times itself: " Just because
> this time the Taj, the Oberoi were under attack, everybody stood up. We've
> had bomb blasts in trains, in small towns, but no one reacted, no one stood
> up.... Why now? The people who suddenly woke up were speaking up because
> they were scared for their own lives."
> Why Salman suddenly giving such statement now after about 2 years and that
> also to Pak journalist and this also before he want to release his picture
> Dabang in the Pak? He just want the publicity for his movie nothing else and
> there is no any honest intention towards any earlier terrorist victim not
> getting hype compared to this attack.
>
> It is absolutely wrong to say that 26/11 attack was hyped much more since
> the Taj/Oberoi hotel attacked. It was hyped much more since terrorist attack
> was of high impact. It was lasted for more than 48 hours, much more people
> were died/injured compared to other attacks like simple bomb blasts of
> towns/cities where casualties was negligible or rather nil. Earlier Mumbai
> train bomb blasts also was hyped much more due to their more casualties
> where lower class people where victim. Similarly, parliament attack and red
> fort attack, where casualties were not there but got hyped due to their
> stature. During the 26/11 attack media covered CST station news also and
> showing repeatedly. One should not forget that CST station coverage of CCTV
> was the key evidence in the court and this was shown by all the media
> regularly.
>
> Any unknown place and not 5 star hotels where 26/11 like attack took place
> lasted for this much time and impact would have got this much hype only. So,
> the analysis itself is wrong that it got hyped due to 5 star hotel were
> attacked.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net]
> On Behalf Of Pheeta Ram
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 8:34 AM
> To: sarai list
> Subject: [Reader-list] "Salman tells Pak channel, we overreacted to 26/11
> because THE ELITE WERE HIT"
>
> It made for an interesting headline on the front-page of the Delhi Times,
> but spot-on! I happened to be in front of the Taj hotel in Mumbai on the
> 29th of November, marveling at the majma that had assembled in front of the
> hotel that had been under attack two days before. Though the insides of the
> hotel had been put off limits for the general public, during the day, i came
> to know of the next day, a filmmaker and Deshmukh and co. had visited it on
> a broad daylight jaunt. Terminally allergic to khandani elites and
> elites-in-the-making, i decided to find out what the street hawkers had to
> say about the Taj and all the tamasha around it: "Pehli baar amir log mare
> hain. Tabhi itna halla ho raha hai. CST wallon ko koi nahin pooch raha hai.
> Sab photo waale yahin par aaye hain.... Jo bhai Commando sab Taj walon ko
> bacha kar gaye hain, wo kabhi yahan ki chaye [tea] bhi nahi kharid sakenge."
> I was surprised to hear from a fellow brother what i was feeling then but
> unable to articulate. Very surprisingly, despite being an elite himself,
> Salman Khan voiced similar sentiments yesterday which have made headlines
> today in many newspapers.
>
> My making the Delhi Times headline the subject of this mail has one another
> purpose: to highlight an observation regarding the 'politics' of the Times
> of India. Everybody knows that TOI is the front organ of the ruling
> establishment, so my observation shouldn't strike as a surprise to anybody.
> Just read Salman's statement given in the Delhi Times itself: " Just because
> this time the Taj, the Oberoi were under attack, everybody stood up. We've
> had bomb blasts in trains, in small towns, but no one reacted, no one stood
> up.... Why now? The people who suddenly woke up were speaking up because
> they were scared for their own lives." Now compare this with the text of the
> headline; i would like to underscore the word "overreacted" particularly,
> which to my mind, makes all the difference. I don't think i need to labour
> more to make my point.
>
> After the Mumbai attacks, suddenly a hotel was made up as the 'national
> icon'. I won't be surprised if the coming generations would identify the Taj
> hotel as one of the wonders of the world instead of the Taj at Agra. Some
> time back a young aspiring researcher, with the alacrity and politeness so
> characteristic of her tribe, had reacted to my untimely suggestion (that the
> issue of "Dilli vs Delhi" was primarily a class issue and that there was
> curious politics behind the demise of the concept of 'class' ) saying that
> it was impossible to class-ify society in neat categories any longer as
> things had become very complicated and hence uselessness of the concept of
> 'class'. I believe, it is the 'intent' and not the 'nature' of things around
> us that makes the difference. Is there something that is goading us to reach
> the conclusion? Which class do we belong to now? Which class we used to
> belong to before? Which class my parents and their parents before them
> belonged to? Which class do i identify with? Which class do i aspire to
> identify with? These are some of the questions which strike me when i begin
> to rethink about the issue of class-ification of contemporary society and of
> the people who overly stress of its very impossibility.  (My guru used to
> tell me: "ki bhayya pheeta, do hi class hoti hain, ek jo roti ke waaste
> kamaati hai aur doosri wo jo majaa marne ke liye munaafe ki roti chakhti
> hai.")
>
> People who are intent on reaching a conclusion, on making a 'just' point
> (which the maze of contemporary category confusions render impossible) would
> strategically deploy these categories rather than treating them as junk from
> a forgettable past. Surprisingly, the concept of 'strategic essentialism'
> comes from one of the elites of the academia itself, the tribe i intend to
> criti-size ( and not critique). It is a point not very uncommonly
> observable, that people who run their shop in the academia, must always
> employ themselves in the business of deferring just conclusions. Anything,
> any interpretation, that would defer the 'judgement day' is welcome. It is
> the 'aesthetics of deferral' that distinguishes the world of an academic
> from the world of an activist  which is solely defined by the 'ethics of
> arrival'. It also explains the phenomenon of a sudden proliferation in new
> scintillating categories in prodigious numbers in the later half of the 20th
> century. So one fine evening, if you, by your god's grace, find yourself in
> a seminar hall full of creatures from academia, just try to grab their
> 'conclusions' and the points that drive them to them. Savour each and every
> turn of phrase, every other word that at once remind you of your sumo
> dictionary, every other sentence that slips from your grasp like a jelly
> fish. The fun would not be in discovering the Emperor naked but in finding
> that "is hamaam main to tamaam nange hain!"
>
> My sincere apologies for hastening the con-clusion.
>
> Pheeta Ram
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